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Old 08-23-2005   #1
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Google Talk Instant Messaging Live!

Moderator Note: It's now live -- see further posts below.

Rumors are that Google is to release an instant messaging service with voice chat tomorrow. The LA Times has details here, http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,1191504.story, and I've put a few more out on the blog here, http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/050823-073913. Thoughts?

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I'll give it a try. I've used MSN for years probably more out of habit than anything else. G has ahbit of doing things a little better than the current market...gmail is/was a good example.
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Nice. You guys may now finally be able to get me to use IM!
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Danny,

The 24th of August is the 114th anniversary of the moving picture :

August 24th, 1891 : Thomas Edison patents the motion picture camera.

Given Google’s past of commemorating little-known days in science history, I’m wondering if there might be a little something to this date, Thomas Edison, the moving picture, and Google IM / VOIP - AND Google Video.

Could Google be adding video capabilities to its Google Talk Messenger that would make the software worth downloading and using?

I think Broadband using Americans are going to wake up on Wednesday with a free Google web cam at their doorsteps with a quick install of the Google Talk software - with built in highspeed video chat.

Of course, Jabber is centered XML based programming, which will open the door for AdSense and other Google feeds - but Google needs to give users a unique or semi-unique offering to get them using the software and to calm their nerves about advertising targeted to messaging or chat conversations, their location, web behavior and so on. Easy video chat capabilities could be that answer.

What do you think?

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Good luck, is all I say

I am sure Google will gain a lot of users for this but I am also sure they will have to fight hard against the increasing privacy concerns I see around for Google's products in general. Personal, phone calling and video chats are to me, VERY personal and I, for one, would be VERY concerned with how Google handles this ... from a privacy point of view. So far they haven't exactly scored high points with me for the way they deal with such things ...

On the other hand Skype seems to have a pretty clean image - at least when it comes to privacy and they already have approx 150 mill downloads. A nice head start
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Old 08-24-2005   #6
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Just a heads up, it went live a little over 5 hours ago at http://www.google.com/talk/
I'm currently logged in and with typical Googlesque-flavour, it's very clean and feels lightweight compared to MSN messenger. The problem is of course in converting your current MSN/ICQ contacts over to GT!

Also I believe it requires a gmail account to log-in, which is a good way for G to grab more gmail users!
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Ok so now we have this brand new tool and no one to talk to ... There is a simple invite too but who knows how many people will want to join up, let's wait and see when someone joins to see how good this is, also there is gmail intergration with notification so that saves the uses of a gmail notifier ...

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some screenshots on http://www.davidnaylor.co.uk but the gmail thing sucks already had to people say NO .. lol.. in fact the only people i got on my GTalk are people in my office lol..

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Or, a good way to keep all us users that DO NOT want GMail out of it and just stay with Skype, AOL, MSN or Yahoo. Anyway, from what I see there seems to be absolutely no way to even try out Googles crap anyway
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New Google Talk Offers Instant Messaging & Voice Chat is our rundown on SearchDay today. Fair to say, we weren't bowled over. But note the quote at the end, where Google essentially says they think they'll have millions of users and force interoperability. Will be interested to see if that really comes to pass or not. Please feel free to drop in links for other interesting reviews or comments you see.
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I like the terms and the privacy policy - much nicer than MSN's imho. I hate the irritating thing wanting to add everyone who ever sent you an e-mail to your friends list and the fact that you have to have a g-mail account to use it (admittedly IM is pretty much all I use my g-mail account for anyway but that does stink of wrapping everything we do into a nice trackable little package for their benefit)

Other than that, it works... and no scarily ugly smilies what else do you want from an IM?

I am surprised to see no advert at the bottom like MSN does though? Did they forget again do you reckon?
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Doesn't MSN force you to get a Hotmail account? And ditto with Yahoo??
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There is no way...

There is no way I would change. I'll give it a try, but it seems silly...
Although it is Jabber compliant, I still want to access all my other buddy / friend list. Trillion has a Jabber compliant client, but who wants to pay $25.00 to IM. Might take off with the tiny bopper set.
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Doesn't MSN force you to get a Hotmail account? And ditto with Yahoo??
MSN doesn't - I use my g-mail account for it No idea about Yahoo though.
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I really didn't need another instant message client. almost as much as I don't need another web browser
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No, I am using AIM, MSN, ICQ and Skype and none of them require me to have an email account with them - at least they did not when I signed up
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No, I am using AIM, MSN, ICQ and Skype and none of them require me to have an email account with them - at least they did not when I signed up
So don't think of it as an email account.

Think of it as a screen name. Google has an account system it uses across all its products. You need a screen name? Why not make it a Google Account?
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some screenshots on http://www.davidnaylor.co.uk but the gmail thing sucks already had to people say NO .. lol.. in fact the only people i got on my GTalk are people in my office lol..

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Maybe you arent compelling enough Dave I've already had a dozen conversions and 7 or 8 additions to Gmail....

I really like it, dont like AOL because of the bundled adware. Can never remember to turn on Yahoo. I'm more the clean interface type and I really like G so I was the perfect target demographic for this.

There are a lot of small items I like such as continuing my own chat on the same conversation without opening a new line item, plus I like the way it layers the conversations on top of each other with the green dots (like we have here in vBulletin), now I'm integrating it into my desktop, I like that too.

I have no issues with G's privacy policies.
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Old 08-24-2005   #19
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My take on google talk

Well my last post got lost in transit so this is a bit of a summary

I use skype/trillian currently so they will be my basis for comparison

Pros-
  • lean install
  • GAIM integration (I'm thinking about switching)
  • voice sounds ok with a nice headset

Cons-
  • voice is a resource hog (20-30% of CPU in my tests)
  • voice sounds terrible on a cheapy headset (skype handles it fine)
  • no voicemail
  • no video
  • no trillian integration

Overall I am slightly underwhelmed. Gtalk works, but lacks anything to make it stand out of the already crowded IM pack. I will keep it for contacts that want to use it but will make no effort to migrate current contacts to it. Just my thoughts, I'll be interested to see what others think
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Hi,

There's allot of comment on the new GTalk. About the Gmail account and the lack of features.
I think GTalk is just perfect and can grow out to be the user-friendliest IM around.

-The major IM's (MSN,ICQ,Yahoo,ect) don't support Jabber protocol;
thats why they can permit users not to have their email account:
they don't lose there users to other IM's, because 'all my friends' have a there steady major IM and can't switch.

With GTalk you can choose to use their IM as your main IM, but you can switch IM(trillian,ect) and still talk to everybody.
To keep their users with Google, they ask you to have an email account;
hoping you will choose more and more google-products as your main source for ... everything digital.

GTalk provides a solid basis for a personalized IM with features you actually want.
Though time Google will hopefully give more basic features (grouptalk,video,searchbox,...), but because it is open-source I hope to see allot of nice extensions for GTalk being build by the community; much the same as Firefox and Winamp do.


Depending on popularity GTalk could grow big; or at least give a fresh clean basic alternative to big budget Hollywood IM's like the lot of them.

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