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My company's server went down early Monday morning and only went back up on Tuesday morning. Realizing soon after that all of my PPC campaigns were being aimed at a dead link, I put all of them on pause. Every search engine reacted to my pause (and afterwards reactivation) request no longer than 1 minute later. However, it took my Adwords account over 2 hours to shut down. During this time my company lost a really considerable amount of money on dead links. My adrep explained that this was due to the system's configuration, that prevented it from immediately pulling my Adwords from the rotation, and that he was basically helpless in accelerating the pause process.
The next day, when our site did get back onto its server, it took until 3:30PM to process the request I made at 10AM to reactivate our account. Word to the wise, in this situation, you should try placing your MAX daily limit at $1 rather than pause your campaigns, if ever your website is down. HOWEVER, don't take my word for it, as I have never tried this and am not sure of how Google would react to this: I would feel bad if anything like that happened to someone else based on this advice. Last edited by rustybrick : 09-02-2004 at 11:02 AM. Reason: improve title for users |
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A few thoughts on server delays - and an opinion
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As the number of advertisers increases, and as advertisers seem to be leaning towards more ads and especially towards more keywords, these delays have unfortunately gotten longer. As you can imagine, this is an issue that is being addressed as a real priority. It is clearly to the benefit of everyone to have changes updated as quickly as possible. Quote:
I am also going to use The Genarator's post as an opportunity to express an opinion, based on observation. Caution! AWR now stepping up on a soapbox. If I may say so, advertisers could do their part towards increasing system speed by not overloading their account with many thousands of keywords simply 'because they can'. In the past few months, I've seen a real increase in accounts with thousands, or even tens of thousands of keywords that are essentially useless. These keyword lists almost appear to have been created at random, and are not related to the product or service on offer. In far too many cases, they rarely get a click - or even an impression. In my opinion, this is not a good practice in a program that is weighted towards relevance. And although I'm not an engineer I can easily imagine that a list of ten thousand useless keywords requires a bit more processing power to keep track of than a list of 500 excellent ones. AWR, now stepping down from soapbox. ![]() |
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Thanks for your insight AWR. I think that the best solution would be to have someone from a website's IT department call at any time of day or night to say when a website's server is expected to shut down.
For example, if an Adwords account is set to pause at 4AM EST then it should actually be paused at 6AM EST. Early intervention would significantly cut the losses throughout North America. |
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Interesting post Generator. Since most server crashes etc. are unexpected making a predetermined shutoff is difficult... it takes someone on top of the account to catch it ASAP and pause the bids to save the company money... how did the smaller engines react to this???
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Excellent Post! (Note to other Members: Please remember to use the "Rate this Post" feature when you see one like this.)
This is also a good reminder for all website owners that are in the Florida region that might be at risk from the hurricane. Take necessary precautions if you feel that your server will take a serious down time. |
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To summarize, just about all small engines, as well as Overture (for Yahoo and MSN), react immediately to a pause command, because their systems are not as advanced as Adwords. |
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How about less complicated?
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hehe, yes, thats could be true
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AWR, thanks for the valuable insights.
I notice this is the second forum on which you've stepped on your soapbox to lament the excessive keyword dumping that has become de rigueur in the PPC account management game. I couldn't agree more. Can we read into this post that Google is going to have to begin performing triage, forcing delays on accounts which insist on jamming hundreds of thousands of keywords into operation for relatively simple campaigns where 1,000 would do, and leavingthe more responsible, less bloated accounts running relatively unfettered, with quicker response times? Is Google going to actually "penalize" the most bloated accounts without really publicizing this fact? Or by stating as much on this forum, would you actually be publicizing this fact? ![]() If you don't plan to take action in some fashion, is it realistic to expect that these soapbox requests will have an impact? Quote:
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One of the problems with the many keywords is the lack of good keyword data from Google - especially if you work in non-english languages. We need better data to give you better accounts
![]() For Danish accounts, that I do quite a few of, I have to rely on keyword data from other sources, set it up in AdWords and hope it preform well. And yes, as you say AWR, often some of the keywords turn out to produce no or very few impressions and clicks. That is, I agree, a waste of your resources - and my time (not the least). So I don't want that either. The problem is the data you give us to determine what will work and what will not is insuficcient - to say the least. Why not give us a tool like Overtures suggestion tool - or even better, something like WordTracker. Or maybe even something better... I know you can make it and I am quite sure it will lead to better campaigns and more money spend with you. |
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And I'm completely delighted that you agree, andrewgoodman! Quote:
andrewgoodman , I am a very straightforward person, so I'd ask that you not read anything into what I say on this forum. Instead, please, simply take it at face value. In this case, my post was identified as my opinion, and it is just that: an informed opinion from someone who cares, and who sees the results of this trend, up close and personal, every single day. Quote:
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I have no issue with long lists of excellent keywords. Hey, if they are good keywords, then the more the better! On the other hand, I think a list of 100 really excellent keywords is better (for the advertiser, for the user, and for Google) than a list of 100,000 lame ones. AWR |
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I acknowledge the stated limits that Google reps (whom I have spoken to, at least) that always recommend no more than: 25 Campaigns per Account 100 AdGroups per Campaign and 750 Keyword per AdGroup. However, these limits have always been flexible (to some extent) - particularly when uploading ads using bulk uploads to get Accounts up-and-running. Over the last year or so we have 'pushed' at these limits and, on the whole have not had any problems. However, in the last week or so, for those Accounts with more than 25 Campaigns, if they have been 'paused' for any reason - when coming back to 'resume' them Google does not allow more than 25 Campaigns to be resumed - presenting a message saying that the limit has been exceeded. Speaking with our reps I am told that similar messages are likely to occur of we exceed limits on the number of AdGroups or Keywords too. They also say that legacy accounts may well not be affected by this 'hardening' of limits but that Google is becoming much more rigorous with new Accounts that are created.
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