Another Sandbox Question?

[reggy73]

Hello,

I have a site which i registered Dec 03', it had about 5 backlinks at the time but then i took it off line for more than a year and have decided to revive it May 05'.



When i checked for the site in Google recently it wasnt shoeing up but now I have submitted it to a few directories, Google is now displaying it with the old cache



My question is if i start adding backlinks now would the site go into the Sandbox considering that the site was registered in 03?



Thanx!

[I, Brian]

The Google Sandbox is more a case of gaining links in volume on a keyword targeted basis - I certainly don't recommend against acquiring backlinks, but I do recommend a more "softly softly" approach, and an aim of naturalising the links (ie, varied sources, and varied text anchors).

2003 is relatively late in sandboxing terms - for example, I have two clients with domains registered in 2002, and both targeted very competitive markets. One is sandboxed for their keywords so far, but the other is hitting the top 10 for a very competitive single keyword.

On that note, it's also worth pointing out that age of site is only one factor - I'm seeing sandboxing differences according to keyword, and it's not unlikely that domains with a history of link building are going to be easier to work with than domains that have none, no matter their age.

2c, and welcome to SEW.

[seostruggler]

"My question is if i start adding backlinks now would the site go into the Sandbox considering that the site was registered in 03?
"

If you start getting inbounds, then YES you DO run the risk of HEAVY and downright NASTY penalties unless you know EXACTLY the required demands of their algos.

Read their patent to view all their criteria.

If you read it hard enough - you'll not bother with google at all, if your site doesnt fit in with what they want - then no matter how good your site is - in terms of comparing it with other info on the same topic - google will stuff you.

[I, Brian]

Originally Posted by seostruggler

If you start getting inbounds, then YES you DO run the risk of HEAVY and downright NASTY penalties unless you know EXACTLY the required demands of their algos.

Read their patent to view all their criteria.

Nobody outside of Google is expected to know what is "exactly" required in terms of satifying various parameters, though Google have made it plain this year that aggressive SEO methods may adversely impact sites.

As for "the patent" - which one are you talking about? Google has a number of published patents, of which the most recent one explores a number of potential areas Google could expand its analyses for search purposes.

And, hey, yeah, sometimes SEO can be difficult and frustrating work - but if you work with long-term goals you need to work with long-term patience - and, by crikey, does Google teach you that.

[randfish]

seostruggler - I think Google's goal with this 'sandbox' is to make it so that those who know more, get hurt more. The tactics of the hardcore SEOs are those that are hardest hit - so the key is to make your link building and site building look more "natural" - it's up to you to figure out what that means, but I always try to imagine how a site would grow in terms of content and links if no one knew about SEO...

Good luck!

[ferret77]

Dude, just crank up the links and don't worry about it

[reggy73]

Thanx 4 your responses - I think i would be better off getting a max of 20 PR4 and above links a month, preferably PR5 and above if possible, then by December 05 i should start seeing some results

[nuttakorn]

My site age is about 2 years. Google is indexed about 94 pages from thousand pages (dynamic url). Do they filtered out when I search the word exactly the same as title (name of my website). It doesn't found in Google but I search in Yahoo, MSN it is ranked well. I have a backlink from link: about 40 links. I have also tried to search by allintitle: , it is found my website.

[Jorge]

It's a nightmare ...
I have divided three similar services into site A,B,and C (A is widgets for Microsoft, B is widgets for Linux, and C is widgets for MAC). Linked to them from my, same theme, corporate site, got links to them from press releases, added their URLs to a few directories...cross linked them (as they are related). I haven't done any link exchanging. Well, site A got sandboxed from the get go, site B after a month, and site C is going strong and ranking incredibly well. All similar keywords, site design, different enough content. I cannot find a single reason for the different treatment they receive from Google. There is a lot of randomness to the whole sandbox thing.

Someone here said to take a more natural approach as if you knew nothing of SEO. Well a "natural" approach to any new business site is to promote it a lot and quickly, with press releases, directory listings etc... I can't see why they punish that. I must say this can become a serious problem, google is going to have to loosen the noose a bit or new businesses are going to have to hide from the public for months so nobody links to them.