Yahoo! site penalty?

[seobook]

One guy I talked to a while ago had a rather large reciprocal link directory on his site. I told him I didn't much like it as I thought it was a bit large and broad. He of course continued to use it, and...

Recently his site stoped showing up for his primary keywords at Yahoo!. His site is still in their index if you search for his site using site:www.potentialspam.com, but there is no cache links near his pages and he does not show up when you search for large strings of text on his pages.

I am fairly certain that a spam penalty of some sort has been applied.

I guess my question is Overture Site Match is probably the best way to find out what happened, but is there any other way to find out what happened?

[Anthony Parsons]

I am actually beginning to wonder if just larger sites in general are being forced to take up sitematch. Two clients with thousands of pages, just don't have thousands of pages in Yahoo anymore. Since the introduction of sitematch, the page quantities indexed have dropped slowly from what they used to be and exactly what you said Aaron, the pages are indexed, and either not cached or not showing up for any results, but remain indexed???

Alarm bells are ringing to what Yahoo is up to. I am just about to recommend sitematch to a client and see what happens I guess.

[seobook]

a moderator friend of mine at another forum also reported something similar happened to one of his clients large sites a few days ago (he said the large clients site was as clean as a bar of soap)...

I thought they were going to come out with guns a blazin, but with their 301 issues and random dropping of sites is not something I consider impressive

(disclaimer: my expressed opinions are only my opinions and have nothing to do with any sites registered under my name. please do not randomly or not so randomly drop my sites Yahoo!)

[Anthony Parsons]

Thats pretty funny **disclaimer**

[Johnj02]

My sites are all still ranked well with Yahoo. But so far, I have not renewed any of my subscriptions to Inktomi, Fast, and AJ. Does anyone know if Yahoo will continue to index pages that are not listed with "site match"? Or does Yahoo genuinely expect EVERYONE to pay .30 a click?

You opinions and experiences are greatly appreciated.
JohnJ

[seobook]

Originally Posted by Johnj02

My sites are all still ranked well with Yahoo. But so far, I have not renewed any of my subscriptions to Inktomi, Fast, and AJ. Does anyone know if Yahoo will continue to index pages that are not listed with "site match"? Or does Yahoo genuinely expect EVERYONE to pay .30 a click?

You opinions and experiences are greatly appreciated.
JohnJ

about 1% of their index is paid. the rest will continued to be free crawled.

[Johnj02]

Thanks for the input. I haven't been all that impressed with the results of my paid inclusion away (at least not that I can tell).

JohnJ

[Manpasand]

Is Yahoo is penalizing the new sites?

Online Web Solutions site launched on March end. That site on top in some keywords in Google but not in YAHOO even i didnt find top 1000 in any keywords.

What is the reasons? Now what should i do for good ranking in yahoo too.

Thanks

[rustybrick]

Hi,

Web Design is a very competitive search term. What keywords are you targeting? Are you doing well in Google?

[Manpasand]

Originally Posted by rustybrick

Hi,

Web Design is a very competitive search term. What keywords are you targeting? Are you doing well in Google?

I am not talking about "web design" keyword in Google. Its is coming in
online web solutions, website estimates, website outsourcing keywords in Google.

Soon you will see in web design keyword too

Anyways other sites are well in both SE.

I hope it will helpfull to you for solve my problem.

Thanks

[Terry Plank]

I just merged Yahoo! is penalizing??? thread into Yahoo! site penalty? thread so we keep things together that are related, Yahoo! Search penalty.

[Terry Plank]

I find that Yahoo! Search seems to pick up more of my pages that are smaller word count than Google seems to find relevant. You may want to consider some alternative content on a new page that targets the keyword and uses less text content.

[seobook]

Originally Posted by Terry Plank

I find that Yahoo! Search seems to pick up more of my pages that are smaller word count than Google seems to find relevant. You may want to consider some alternative content on a new page that targets the keyword and uses less text content.

my issue is not word length, my friends site was moreless just essentially delisted.

I can't wait to see all the new tricks the search engines come up with this year to filter bogus linking. hopefully they just don't filter me

[Terry Plank]

My apology, seobook, I should have referenced my comment on word length to Manpasand's post .

Originally Posted by Manpasand

Is Yahoo is penalizing the new sites?....What is the reasons? Now what should i do for good ranking in yahoo too.

I merged two threads so all questions related to any Yahoo! Search penalty would be in the same thread.

Yahoo Search Results: Very Interesting Insight
Google dropped but Yahoo & MSN Picked Sites.


We had developed 8 sites in June, 2003. After the Google Florida update, we lost all of them. Initially, we had done massive link exchange for all of them and cross linked them. That was probably the reason that Google removed these sites. Before the update, all of them were appearing with top slot rankings on Google.
We ignored these sites once they disappeared since we hardly had any more traffic on them. Since Yahoo was also being powered by google, there was no traffic on the sites whatsoever. MSN also dropped these sites. Why did these sites disappear from all engines?

We removed the entire cross linking a few weeks later and even deleted all the links pages. I.E, these sites only had inbound links from our link partners and we retained 70% of them since our link partners site owners never checked if their links were still on our sites or not.

Just two months back, we saw 2 of our sites come back to the Yahoo and MSN index since it is powered by its own search engine. But none of the other sites showed up in rankings, although they are in Yahoo’s index. These 2 sites not only showed up but have taken top slot rankings for their targeted keywords that as competitive as keywords for other sites.

We never gave any special treatment to these 2 sites. All the sites were treated equally and we never anticipated that these 2 sites would ever work.

Yahoo/MSN Q: What do we interpret from these results? Still trying to figure out how Yahoo & MSN engine works. Can’t find a definite clue. What is it that made these sites work on Yahoo? How does Yahoo work? And by the way, the same two sites have also shown up in MSN with top results. Why is MSN also showing similar results as Yahoo? From our 8 sites, only these 2 sites are working in Yahoo and MSN.

Google Q: None of these 8 sites have any traffic from Google. Though, some of them have showed up in google’s index after 6 months or so. But they do not appear anywhere on the least competitive keywords. A few sites have a fresh/new PR of 1-2. Earlier they had a PR of 5 but after the penalization, it went down to ZERO. Will these sites ever show up in GOOGLE SERPS? Should we abandon these sites and launch similar sites? And submit them freshly to google. (Ofcourse we have learnt how to avoid the sandbox).

Your feedback is much appreciated.

[Terry Plank]

First, Hawk, welcome to the SEW Forum with your first post .

Originally Posted by hawk

Just two months back, we saw 2 of our sites come back to the Yahoo and MSN index since it is powered by its own search engine.

MSN is one of the Yahoo! Search powered sites. Although the matchs are not exact for various reasons. Some good discussion about MSN is going on here.

Also Danny has just updated the SE Chart.

Yahoo/MSN Q: ...How does Yahoo work?

Not sure what your asking here. Do you mean how does Yahoo! work as different from other engines?

Google Q:...but after the penalization, it went down to ZERO. Will these sites ever show up in GOOGLE SERPS? Should we abandon these sites and launch similar sites?...

Lot of folks were affected within the Forida experience, I wouldn't necessarily assume you were penalized specifically. Sounds like you did a good thing with reevaluating your linking strategy, however.

Personally, I wouldn't abandon the sites, I'd just keep attempting to make them quality pages related to chosen keywords and with appropriate inbound links. SEW and other forums listed in Forum Roll at the bottom of the left navigation cell are good places to keep gleaning specifics on how Yahoo! Search may differ from Google in it's process of evaluation for ranking.