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Old 05-13-2006   #1
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Forums Spam

hi,

I was wondering if forums spam is something illegal with regarding to SEs?

We have build java module which searches forums which relate to our site content, register to the forum and activate the account & afterwards make some posts with backlinks to point to our site.

I have yet to exercise it since I am not sure it will damage our page rank since it "Spam" the forums.

Did you encountered the implications of Forum Spam on page ranking?

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Old 05-13-2006   #2
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I am not sure it will damage our page rank since it "Spam" the forums.
Are you kidding?
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Old 05-13-2006   #3
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hi ulukach, I would say a warm welcome, but your first post is like walking into a Philadelphia bar with a Washington Redskins jersey on and wondering if they would mind if you plastered redskins posters all over the walls. Or perhaps for any Euros like walking into a bar in Amsterdam with a Manchester United jersey on and asking the same thing.

I would certainly hope that your plan would hurt you, but probably at the very least it woudn't help you much. Not to mention your little script and its IP addresses would be banned by most forums that take the time to police such activity.

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Old 05-14-2006   #4
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thanks chris,

since we are rather new to SEO & rather strong with development knowledge
we are thinking of ways to improve our site rank using software without
being SE hostile, do you have any ideas?

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Old 05-16-2006   #5
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Forum spam is just not a good idea. People hate it, moderators hate, search engines hate it.

besides, everyone knows comment spam is like way better.
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Old 06-01-2006   #6
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hi,

I was wondering if forums spam is something illegal with regarding to SEs?

We have build java module which searches forums which relate to our site content, register to the forum and activate the account & afterwards make some posts with backlinks to point to our site.

I have yet to exercise it since I am not sure it will damage our page rank since it "Spam" the forums.

Did you encountered the implications of Forum Spam on page ranking?

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As an owner of various forums (fora?), I imagine most of your effort will be wasted. Moderators on my sites are instructed to immediately delete any spam posts like this. Loads of people do it and think they're so clever:

"Hi, this is my first post, and I think a good resource for you is http://www.diespammingspawnofsatan.com"

as opposed to

"Visit http://www.diespammingspawnofsatan.com"

It's still spam.
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Old 06-01-2006   #7
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Hey this sounds like fun.

How about equiping your bot with AI and having it post relevant comments to posts. You would set up differnet personalities. Like a Heil personality - any where there is anything said positive about links you could have to post about how link campaigns are ruining the internet and how links are really not required to rank hi.

You could have a database of say 10 sentences per paragraph and say 5 paragraphs and post two paragraphs or three paragraphs with 2 to 4 sentences in each paragraph

This way they would not look the same.
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Old 06-01-2006   #8
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You are not the first one with this idea, others already have posting bots that can post on multiple forums at the same time!

But they did not have the spider that would find relevant threads, you had to input the forums into a form!

I would give you the thread, but for the sake of the community I will not at this time!

One question, are you from Russia
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Old 06-01-2006   #9
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>>>One question, are you from Russia

LOL, I used to work in Hosptial 51 and live in the trade center : )

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We actually had this type of bot here for a while. It would ask interesting sounding questions based on the topic of the thread. It took me 2 posts to figure it out - Marcia got it in one, but she has more years at moderating than me

The basic problem is that the premise of a search engine using links is that a real human decided to "vote" with the link, and the search engine is using that to compensate for computer only decision making. This kind of tactic goes against that (since the link is no longer a vote, but rather a computer program). So search engines hate it off the bat. If they wanted computers controlled by owners to do it, they'd either do it themselves, or go back to looking at metatags.

There is also the assumption among web users that if you have to program robots to vote for you, then your site must not be any good. It's like taking a blow-up doll out on a date to make people think you are popular - it's regarded as desperate, sad and doesn't fool anyone.

Finally, most forum owners and regular members treat forums as a kind of social area, where they can hang out, trade information, and get a sense of belonging. This type of automated link drop is inherently disrespectful of the time, knowledge, sharing and passion the owners, moderators and members have invested in building the community.

In short, it's a bad idea from pretty much every angle.

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Yeah - my personal opinion - bad idea.

I've heard that on some forums, the Mods pass the URLs of the worst forum spammers over to their black hat mates - who single out those sites and their associated email addresses for their own kind of 'special attention'...

The problem with forums is you never quite know who you'll upset - and how skilled and 'short fused' they are.....

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Or perhaps for any Euros like walking into a bar in Amsterdam with a Manchester United jersey on and asking the same thing.
More like a Manchester United fan walking into a Manchester City pub. Up the Sky Blues!
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Old 06-02-2006   #13
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<<<<How about equiping your bot with AI and having it post relevant comments to posts.

/me looks around and wonders if people really though I was serious
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Old 06-16-2006   #14
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Which is quicker? lol

I gotta say that as an internet marketing newbie I am amazed at the amount of time and energy people are willing to spend trying to automate some things. Seems it would be quicker to just post in the forums and who knows you might even find a few friends.

Oh and BTW Hi! I am Pam and I am new here. Hoping to get to know some of you and learn something about what I am getting myself in for. Thanks in advance for all the great tips I know you are dieing to share.

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Old 06-25-2006   #15
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>> >> We have build java module which searches forums which relate to our site content, register to the forum and activate the account & afterwards make some posts with backlinks to point to our site. << <<

>> would certainly hope that your plan would hurt you <<

If not, there are plenty of forum administrators that would wish upon you the the most violent and painful physical harm. Posting that junk is responsible for millions of man hours per year wasted in cleaning out such garbage.
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Old 06-26-2006   #16
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Forum spamming is of course illegal and does not form a part of ethical SEO. Never use any spamming software, your site may get banned from forums and even from search engines. Google, of all search engines, gives a very high importance on quality backlinks. But, according to google, that has to be a natural process. Not something which is done overnight with the help of spamming software. You can participate in forums to share latest knowledge about search engine optimization techniques. I believe forum spamming on a massive scale may hurt your page rank.

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Old 06-29-2006   #17
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What keeps me from going on to online bookmark sites like Netvouz and posting my own sites as a regular guy. I have seen a competitor or two of mine doing the same thing... Google actually counts the link too!
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