Help-Stop-Smoking Site Rankings Drop Out Of Google - Non-Profit site - Please Help!

bobmutch · #1 12-13-2004

Both Blair and I are ex smokers. Blair runs a site www.quitsmokingsupport.com and has a passion to help people quite smoking. As of Nov 28th his home page dropped from a PR6 to a PR4. His site dropped out of the Google index for words that he has been on the first page for 7 years. Key phrases like "quite smoking", "quitting smoking", and "stop smoking".

Blair has contacted Google a number of times and finally got an answer that he has not received a ban.

The site is in DMOZ and has a 22/40 in Google Directory. In the Google directory listing is listed between a PR5 and PR6 site dir.google.com/Top/Health/Support_Groups/Smoking_Cessation/ . It is only the home page that has dropped to a PR4. The other pages are PR5's and PR6's.

The site is still ranking well in Yahoo and is #3 for the 3 above key phrases. The traffic has dropped by 30%.

I have just taken on working on Blairs site for no change as I am impress with his passion for help people get support for their habit.

Could you all take a look at this site and see if there are any bad SEO pratices on this site. Also is it possible for some one that has GoogleGuy 's ear to get him to take a peek at this site.

DaveN · #2 12-13-2004

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...ingsupport.com

google thinks that the homepage is quitsmokingsupport.com without the www and that does not resolve.

header check

Headers for :

Error! No headers found for quitsmokingsupport.com

Headers for :

www.quitsmokingsupport.com (207.107.128.20): HTTP/1.1 200 OK Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0 X-Powered-By: ASP.NET Content-Location: http://www.quitsmokingsupport.com/index.htm

not the answer but a piece of the jigsaw

DaveN

DaveN · #3 12-13-2004

also this

Headers for http://whozontop.com/ICDirect/click....hitzone=HZ0026

(204.225.48.42):

HTTP/1.1 302 Object moved

bobmutch · #4 12-13-2004

DaveN: Yes I am in the process of fixing the quitsmokingsupport.com link being dead. I will be 301'ing this into the www

I have seen a list of the tools you use to check redirects etc. but can't remember what thread that was in. What tool are you getting the 302 error with.

Marcia · #5 12-13-2004

I've seen that one before, Dave.

Bob, there is definitely something else going on, but just as an additional thought, taking a quick look it says there are several hundred of pages but when I did a search for site: it said 71 pages and most were URL only, some supplemental. After clicking the "more results" option it looks a bit different though, it looks like when I've seen pages slipping out.

http://www.google.com/search?q=site:...&sa=N&filter=0

Granted it's not the major thing but is worth mentioning, so many of those have the identical meta description which is all that's showing. After or while the other things are tended to you might want to work with him and just put a unique meta description into each page. It's better not to have anything all identical like that.

bobmutch · #6 12-13-2004

Marcia: Ok thanks for pointing that out. I will put that on the list of things to do : ) I just picked this site up today so I am sure it needs lots of help.

DaveN · #7 12-13-2004

Bob The tools we use are all inhouse i'm trying to port as many has possible onto open servers, i will put the 302 and headerchecker on the list and pm you when its done..

DaveN

bobmutch · #8 12-13-2004

DaveN: Thanks. Until then what public tool is going to show me this error. The redirect tool that I use doesn't show any problems. Also the error you came up with "HTTP/1.1 302 Object moved", what does this indicate to you. Do all of whozontop.com links give you the same error or just the one to www.quitsmokingsupport.com ?

JohnW · #9 12-13-2004

Maybe it's just a data center thing, but I'm showing your index page PR0. I'm seeing PR=grey on your site map and several links pages. I can't find the grey pages in the index at all. You might want to look at some of the cross-linking and stuff like that external to the site...

ThouShaltSeo · #10 12-13-2004

Looks like some of the sites linked are fishy....not cached, with 4 trillion dashes etc. Maybe the link back to this site, who knows.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnW

Maybe it's just a data center thing, but I'm showing your index page PR0. I'm seeing PR=grey on your site map and several links pages. I can't find the grey pages in the index at all. You might want to look at some of the cross-linking and stuff like that external to the site...

bobmutch · #11 12-14-2004

JohnW: Ya the website map is PR5 and the home page PR4 so no problems there.

AussieWebmaster · #12 12-14-2004

You should also change the link back to the home page to www.quitsmoking.com right now it is www.quitsmokingsupport.com/index.html so there is a leak there also. Redirect that to the domain name while you are at it.
I would also change the title tag to separate the term at the front and also in the description start with quit smaoking... Google is a left to right reader.

bobmutch · #13 12-14-2004

AussieWebmaster: Yep, just picked the site up today. Already told him to move the domain name to the back of the title on all pages and to give different meta descriptions for each page. I am not to worried on having the keyword at the front of the meta description. The site will get a copy of recriprocalmanager.com shortly and a heap of inbound links.

This of course doesn't help with the problem. The site dropped from a PR6 on the home page to a PR4 in between toolbar updates and the pages that were on first page SERP dropped out of the index.

To me it looks like a penalty.

Dave Hawley · #14 12-14-2004

Bob, did Google say anything else? Or more to the point, did they ask Google the right questions?

I get the impressio that have engaged in something Google do not like (cross-link?). I cannot find them at all searching for their on page text.

DaveN · #15 12-14-2004

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22At...o+cause+cancer

Dave Hawley · #16 12-14-2004

As is Bob, it's the Homepage I was referring to. I tried 4 exact phrases and could not find it. Normally, this would locate any page that's in Google.

Dave Hawley · #17 12-14-2004

Ok, lucky #5 found it
http://www.google.com/search?num=100...22&btnG=Search

Could these links be a possible cause?
http://www.kniff.de/cgi-bin/cgiproxy...support.com/ -

DaveN · #18 12-14-2004

www kniff de : is using a standard HTTP Proxy script, which allows you to surfer the internet VIA a proxy... most hacker boards or private boards tend to link Via a http proxy , that way you know it's safe to click on the lnk without transmitting you IP and geolocation

By guess is that some hacker or spammer is trying to quit smoking lol

Unless Dave Hawley knows something different about that site, I could only find the standard Mods installed on it ???

DaveN

AussieWebmaster · #19 12-14-2004

The interesting thing about kniff is that it lists higher than the actual site...

DaveN · #20 12-14-2004

not has high has the webdesign company that did the site thou...

DaveN

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