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Old 07-13-2008   #1
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So Why does Google not simpy do this:

Webmasters panic all over the web if there's an algorithm update and everybody's trying to make sure it wont affect them negatively (or get back to their old rankings).

So why does Google not simply say: Please everybody install Google Analytics on your website or give us another way to look at your data. We're trying to make the web a good and tidy place and there are so many dirty websites, we need this kind of data to make the best algorithm to make the web a tidy place. It is of course not necessary that you do this, if you want to rank in our SERPs, but if you do you can set yourself apart from the competition who does not.

Put that message on the google homepage (users wont be put off, they usually buy into the "dont be evil" branding and would really believe google is only doing this to make the web a better place) and everybody will see it.

In case you have a decent site, would you give that data away to Google or not? If it meant my website will fall down the rankings, and it isn't a spam site, I would.

Why does G not do this to get their hands on everybody's usage data?

Is it because (as Peter Norvig(?)) stated they really dont have much use for usage data in their algorithm?

Is it a branding thing? Sure webmasters would get mad, but if you got a monopoly (or well close to) you can pull it off. What webmaster who has a decent site would not give Google his data if he knew that he doesn't his website will have a third of the traffic?

Why dont they do it? I dont get it!:-)
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Old 07-13-2008   #2
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Re: So Why does Google not simpy do this:

Good Post. No offence although its not fair, we want rankings, we play by the rules maybe we should change the name to Google Optimization specialists?
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Old 07-13-2008   #3
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Re: So Why does Google not simpy do this:

I wouldnt want to have such a narrow focus. I think of it more as internet marketing with a focus on SEO, but maybe youre right and I should think of it as internet marketing with a focus on GEO
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Re: So Why does Google not simpy do this:

>need this kind of data to make the best algorithm....Why dont they do it?

When or if Google starts using this data, spamming/spoofing analytics will just become another thing to have to deal with. Simpler the way it is now.
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Old 07-14-2008   #5
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Re: So Why does Google not simpy do this:

If we went by that logic, wouldn't that also mean they should have never started using links in their algorithm and just continued to look at nothing but on-page factors? After all people started spamming links like crazy.

Yet this doesn't mean that it was a bad idea, if links made their algorithm more relevant even though they had yet another factor to look at that was prone to spam.
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Re: So Why does Google not simpy do this:

Quite honestly, I would not give them that data, and neither would most of my clients.

Google has no standard of care towards anyone but themselves and their paying customers, and I think it's a bad idea to assume that they will never make a mistake or misuse data in any way.

Additionally, when one of my clients (a very large computer company) installed Googles analytics in their system, it crashed. Googles inability to keep their analytics server running under a huge load does not mean my client is a spammer or should be trusted less.

Finally, Googles servers are mostly in the US. The US government can seize data in the US almost anytime it wants. Another of my clients is the Canadian Government. Under no circumstances would they allow Canadian citizens data to be seized by a foreign government. Additionally, privacy laws in Europe prevent user data from being exported without permission of each user.

No, the fact that people don't post their home address and phone number on the web does not mean they are criminals or untrustworthy. The fact that I'd want the police to have a warrant before entering my home does not mean I have something to hide or that I'm anti-police. It means I value my privacy and freedom.

The fact that a site won't share it's data with an outside company does not mean they are spammers, or that they should be trusted less. What would happen if their competitor was able to get hacked Google access? Who do you sue then?

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Old 07-14-2008   #7
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Re: So Why does Google not simpy do this:

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No, the fact that people don't post their home address and phone number on the web does not mean they are criminals or untrustworthy.
Unfortunately, in Germany you are a criminal if you don't put your home adress and phone number on your website. Which is a real big problem for anyone with social anxiety issues who has talked to somebody about this before who told him he got called at night by drunk people wishing to have conversations with him (friendly conversations, but the fact that people would call you at night because they're on your forum and want to talk to you is still scary lol).

In Germany you can really get sued (and it has happened before) if you don't have your telephone number and a home address online! It sucks ;(
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In Germany you can really get sued (and it has happened before) if you don't have your telephone number and a home address online! It sucks ;(
Ouch. So, if you want to be a stalker, I guess the lesson is to stalk Germans...

I think the idea was to make people accountable for what they say (which is fine, in theory), but I suspect it will only be a matter of time (and some poor persons injury, rape and/or death) for this to change.

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Re: So Why does Google not simpy do this:

Hehe, what I can do is make my sites in English, that way the stalker will need to get an airplane ticket first ;-). Also, I'm not trying to piss anybody off and make sure I use an image file for that so my site doesn't show up if people type in my name.

I've thought quite a bit about this as you can imagine and started to wonder: Is this really worse than having your phone number in a telephone book? A student could easily look up her/his teacher's name and stalk them.

Why do you think it's so much more of a risk online than in the real world? They only thing which seems much more of a risk to me is people sending random threat messages or something, because people are more prone to doing things like that in the cyberspace, because nobody can see them (and they probably also think nobody could find out who it was).

But when it comes to actual crime, why do you think webmasters having to put their phone number/address on their websites is more dangerous? (Im asking just out of curiosity)
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Re: So Why does Google not simpy do this:

I think it's important to put your *business* number and address on a site, if only for credibility. This is true in any country.

But I'd draw the line at personal addresses. If you work from home, it's easy enough to get a business mailbox. I think it's a good idea for an address where (at the very least) legal papers can be served, but I'd draw the line at personal information.

For one thing, just because the webmaster has agreed to release their home address on the internet, doesn't mean that anyone else in the house did.

No. You should be held accountable for what you say/do on the internet to the proper authorities under the rules of law and fair play, but not as a physical target for every crazy person with access to a computer and a grudge.

Work or legal address, yes. Home address, no. For one thing, someone with a legitimate issue would be satisfied with a real work address, whereas I suspect only someone with criminal intent would want a home address as well.

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Re: So Why does Google not simpy do this:

Actually, you have a point there.. I guess Google is more only on search engine optimization that's why they didn't simply do that.
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