Search Engine Watch
SEO News

Go Back   Search Engine Watch Forums > Search Engines & Directories > Google > Google Web Search
FAQ Members List Calendar Forum Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 07-06-2005   #1
Relevancy
Relevancy Brings Results
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: CA
Posts: 225
Relevancy is on a distinguished road
Google Sitemaps One Month Later

Well we know it appears to index pages faster then just waiting, but are we seeing any down falls or other positives from Google Sitemaps?

Is there any Google sneakiness going one as all us SEOers give them lists of our SEOed sites.

Thoughts?
Relevancy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2005   #2
NTR
Natasha "That Girl From Marketing" Robinson - Search Engine Stalker
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 48
NTR is on a distinguished road
Index pages faster? Are you certain?

I read this on seo-scoop.com:
"However, for the life of me, I cannot get it indexed at all in Google. I've got good links pointing to it from well-ranked, indexed, on-topic pages. I even created a Google sitemap, which has been spidered hundreds of times by Google. Still...not a single page indexed by Google. "
While I haven't tested this myself (or waded through all the posts in the Google Sitemaps Group), are you certain that Google Sitemaps does index pages faster than just waiting?

Thanks in advance for your info!

Natasha "The Girl From Marketing" Robinson
NTR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2005   #3
Relevancy
Relevancy Brings Results
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: CA
Posts: 225
Relevancy is on a distinguished road
They do index faster, but if your site is too new they will not index you till your are out of the sandbox. you have to wait like the rest of the newbies if your domain is newer then a few months.
Relevancy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2005   #4
AussieWebmaster
Forums Editor, SearchEngineWatch
 
AussieWebmaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: NYC
Posts: 8,154
AussieWebmaster has a brilliant futureAussieWebmaster has a brilliant futureAussieWebmaster has a brilliant futureAussieWebmaster has a brilliant futureAussieWebmaster has a brilliant futureAussieWebmaster has a brilliant futureAussieWebmaster has a brilliant futureAussieWebmaster has a brilliant futureAussieWebmaster has a brilliant futureAussieWebmaster has a brilliant futureAussieWebmaster has a brilliant future
I have heard that absolutely new sites are getting indexed.... couple of friends used the sitemap submitter for their new projects and got a solid response... now I am waiting to see if that is just the initial presence that Google sometimes gives as a welcome or if this could be a way to avoid the box....
AussieWebmaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2005   #5
mickisdaddy
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 22
mickisdaddy is on a distinguished road
It took about 2 weeks to see any of the pages from my sitemaps being crawled that were not already in the index. The past few days though, I have seen Googlebot indexing pages from my sitemaps.

I have a site that is about 5 years old, but never have had any sort of sitemap. I have about 80,000+ dynamic pages. Google now shows 54,000+ pages most just show the URL and nothing else with a site: search. I recently redesigned the site look and structure and put 301 redirects from the old pages that changed to the new ones.
mickisdaddy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2005   #6
Relevancy
Relevancy Brings Results
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: CA
Posts: 225
Relevancy is on a distinguished road
Amazing!

Something else that appears to be cool with Google sitemaps is tht it appears to take pages out of the supplemental results. I just recently added a sitemap for one of my sites that was fully in the supp index and a few days later half the pages got taken out.
Relevancy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2005   #7
rustybrick
 
rustybrick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: New York, USA
Posts: 2,810
rustybrick has much to be proud ofrustybrick has much to be proud ofrustybrick has much to be proud ofrustybrick has much to be proud ofrustybrick has much to be proud ofrustybrick has much to be proud ofrustybrick has much to be proud ofrustybrick has much to be proud of
Quote:
Originally Posted by Relevancy
Something else that appears to be cool with Google sitemaps is tht it appears to take pages out of the supplemental results. I just recently added a sitemap for one of my sites that was fully in the supp index and a few days later half the pages got taken out.
Now that is useful information. Anyone else experience the same?
rustybrick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2005   #8
AussieWebmaster
Forums Editor, SearchEngineWatch
 
AussieWebmaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: NYC
Posts: 8,154
AussieWebmaster has a brilliant futureAussieWebmaster has a brilliant futureAussieWebmaster has a brilliant futureAussieWebmaster has a brilliant futureAussieWebmaster has a brilliant futureAussieWebmaster has a brilliant futureAussieWebmaster has a brilliant futureAussieWebmaster has a brilliant futureAussieWebmaster has a brilliant futureAussieWebmaster has a brilliant futureAussieWebmaster has a brilliant future
This one is well worth running some tests on....
AussieWebmaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2005   #9
Relevancy
Relevancy Brings Results
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: CA
Posts: 225
Relevancy is on a distinguished road
Basic Case Study

I will watch the site and report any other details as seen.
Relevancy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2005   #10
Andy1969
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Leeds
Posts: 43
Andy1969 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Relevancy
Something else that appears to be cool with Google sitemaps is tht it appears to take pages out of the supplemental results. I just recently added a sitemap for one of my sites that was fully in the supp index and a few days later half the pages got taken out.
I also noticed this shortly after submitting the sitemap for one of my sites, below are my findings:

Domian Sitemap.xml submitted to Google 15-06-05

site:www.Domian .co.uk
649 from www.Domian .co.uk - 15-06-05
Many of these links are from old site

300 urls added for new site using sitemap.xml

512 from www.Domian .co.uk - 20-06-05
During Google result testing could not find any old indexed web pages from the old web site e.g. old games pages (100s).
588 from www.Domian .co.uk - 22-06-05
638 from www.Domian .co.uk - 27-06-05
1,210 from www.Domian .co.uk – 4-07-05 *

*This final result was a surprise as a lot of the old sites indexed pages are back in the results! I am investigating this at the moment (luckily I have these old pages covered by usuing a cool 404 page).

More news as it happens!
Andy1969 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2005   #11
stoner3221
Directory Slave
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: South Glens Falls, NY USA
Posts: 51
stoner3221 is on a distinguished road
Thumbs up

As soon as the Sitemap program was launched we started developing a script for a directory that would list all of the newly submitted topics. I thought it would be a great way to get new submissions in Google faster and deeper topics, not easily reached by Google cached. We have closely monitored the results and have been very impressed. I get Google alerts on test submittals in as little as 24 hours. It doesn’t necessarily mean however that the sites are cached by Google that fast, but the vast majority of the new submissions are getting crawled by the Googlebot right away. A process that normally took many days to weeks with deep category submissions. In my opinion it’s one of the best tools Google has come out with in years.
__________________
WoW Directory - Skaffe.com
stoner3221 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2005   #12
SebastianX
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: The Rock
Posts: 5
SebastianX is on a distinguished road
Thumbs up Google Sitemaps work better than expected

It works better than expected. I've managed to get even orphans fully indexed within 4 days (that was an experiment). Once Google trusts a sitemap, it gets downloaded frequently, without resubmissions, and Googlebot crawls all new and updated pages harvested from the sitemap. Time-to-index has been improved to a great degree. URL-only listings have vanished, the same goes for most supplemental results. No flaws as far as I can see, congrats Google!
SebastianX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2005   #13
ocmaven
 
Posts: n/a
Red face Supplemental Results

A few of you mention supplemental results. Where do these appear and why do you want Google to remove them? Are these outdated results sitting in their cache? Our site has several no longer existent pages that are still sitting in Google's cache. Will submitting via Google's Site Map fix this problem?

ocmaven
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2005   #14
Relevancy
Relevancy Brings Results
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: CA
Posts: 225
Relevancy is on a distinguished road
What are Google Supplemental Results

More: These pages in the supp index do not help your overall rankings and seem to not be indexed on a regular basis until Google sitemaps came along it appears.

Why are they bad?

More
Relevancy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2005   #15
Andy1969
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Leeds
Posts: 43
Andy1969 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy1969
Domian Sitemap.xml submitted to Google 15-06-05

site:www.Domian .co.uk
649 from www.Domian .co.uk - 15-06-05
Many of these links are from old site

300 urls added for new site using sitemap.xml

512 from www.Domian .co.uk - 20-06-05
During Google result testing could not find any old indexed web pages from the old web site e.g. old games pages (100s).
588 from www.Domian .co.uk - 22-06-05
638 from www.Domian .co.uk - 27-06-05
1,210 from www.Domian .co.uk – 4-07-05 *

*This final result was a surprise as a lot of the old sites indexed pages are back in the results! I am investigating this at the moment (luckily I have these old pages covered by usuing a cool 404 page).

More news as it happens!

Results update:

734 from site:www.domain .co.uk – 12-7-05

Dropped 500 old pages?
Andy1969 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2005   #16
mtauber
Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 11
mtauber is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Relevancy
How can i see the difference between Supplemental listings and regular indexed results in google?
mtauber is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2005   #17
Relevancy
Relevancy Brings Results
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: CA
Posts: 225
Relevancy is on a distinguished road
When doing a search or doing a site:www.yoursite.com in google there will be green writing that shows the url on the results pages. If you see "supplemental results" in green then that url is in the supp index.
Relevancy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2005   #18
Mel
Just the facts ma'm
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Malaysia
Posts: 793
Mel is just really niceMel is just really niceMel is just really niceMel is just really nice
Quote:
Originally Posted by Relevancy
What are Google Supplemental Results

More: These pages in the supp index do not help your overall rankings and seem to not be indexed on a regular basis until Google sitemaps came along it appears.

Why are they bad?

More
I have had supplemental pages indexed quite regularly and they do rank for some rare terms.

Why do you think that pages in the supplemental index do not help your rankings? Are you saying that you think the links on those pages are not counted by Google or....?
__________________
Mel Nelson
Expert SEO Dont settle for average SEO
Singapore Search Engine Optimization and web design
Mel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2005   #19
Andy1969
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Leeds
Posts: 43
Andy1969 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
These pages will then be seen as cookie cutter pages that are created with little value and then eventually they will be thrown into Google's Supplemental Results.
What do "Supplemental Results" look like? How do they appear in G results?

cheers

Andy
Andy1969 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2005   #20
Relevancy
Relevancy Brings Results
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: CA
Posts: 225
Relevancy is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Why do you think that pages in the supplemental index do not help your rankings? Are you saying that you think the links on those pages are not counted by Google or....?
I am not sure if links from a supp index page do not count, but it is probably a good possibility. The pages put in supp index do not seem to help your overall site theme. As soon as they go in the supp index they are on their own and that is why they get rare searches. Google doesn't want out dated never touched pages to help sites rankings, they want fresh content and sites that are dedicated to their sites.

There are old pages that never get put in the supp index, but that is because they are linked to from other sources and/or you might do a global footer change and make the page modified date new again.

Quote:
What do "Supplemental Results" look like? How do they appear in G results?
Read my post above
Relevancy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off