Tips On Becoming An ODP editor

[strategicrankings]

I made an application to become an editor at DMOZ, as expected my application was refused and the reason given was that the category i wanted to edit was well represented and i was advised to apply for another category.

In fact i wanted to become an editor for a regional category for my country (Top: Regional: Africa: Mauritius).

I have the impression,which may be wrong, that the number of locals who may be editing the said category can be counted on the fingers of a single hand because i know that the SEO community in Mauritius is still in its infancy. I myself have been doin SEO since dec 1999 and there are not more than 2 reliable SEO firm in the country (i work for one of them).
If my deduction are true then it may be possible that this regional category is
being edited by non-locals.

I made my application for the said category because i feel that i can contribute to a category with which i'm at ease, in a region where i live and work.
So what can i do next to become editor? Do i apply for a category that i will not have fun with or do i simply give up?

Thanks
Riley

[AussieWebmaster]

Try again in another area and see what happens... there have been alot of people turned down though I don't think it is a closed community.

[cuzco]

I made an application to become an editor at DMOZ, as expected my application was refused and the reason given was that the category i wanted to edit was well represented and i was advised to apply for another category.

In fact i wanted to become an editor for a regional category for my country (Top: Regional: Africa: Mauritius).

I have the impression,which may be wrong, that the number of locals who may be editing the said category can be counted on the fingers of a single hand because i know that the SEO community in Mauritius is still in its infancy. I myself have been doin SEO since dec 1999 and there are not more than 2 reliable SEO firm in the country (i work for one of them).
If my deduction are true then it may be possible that this regional category is
being edited by non-locals.

I made my application for the said category because i feel that i can contribute to a category with which i'm at ease, in a region where i live and work.
So what can i do next to become editor? Do i apply for a category that i will not have fun with or do i simply give up?

Thanks
Riley

You don’t have to be an SEO or web a developer, some do it just for fun, and its important to give a good reason for becoming an a Editor, and be honest.

Did the category look like it needed an Editor? If its well managed and under control then I guess you’re not needed. If you can spot sites that don’t belong, typos, dead links, redirects, hijacked domains etc then put that in your application.

If you have lots of sites you think you can recommend the list them all in your application, not just the 3 your asked to provide.

Its also often best to start with a small category, even if its not your first choice its possible to tidy it and add a few sites and move to the next cat within a few weeks.

[DigitalRoad]

Riley,

Good advice from cuzco. I hope for DMOZ's sake all editors aren't from the SEO community. Why don't you try volunteering for the Arts and Entertainment subcat for Mauritius or one of the other subcats without a volunteer and few sites. Research sites that should be added (see http://dmoz.org/guidelines/ for guidelines for site inclusion guidelines) and as cuzco suggested, go ahead and recommend more than three. Spend time writing and rewriting titles and descriptions (see http://dmoz.org/help/become.html#tips for application advice). Check out other categories to see editor styles.

Good luck,

Jon

[strategicrankings]

Thanks all for your answers and advice. I will do some research work as from tomorrow to find some sites that honestly could be listed in DMOZ. Thanks Jon i will try the subcat you suggested and see what happens.

Will let you know the outcomes.

Riley

[jimnoble]

Sorry to be late to the party - I only just registered here.

Mauritius is much too large a category for a trainee editor. Something of up to around 50 listings that doesn't have a large backlog would be suitable. (Yes I realise you can't see the backlogs, but the reviewing meta editor can.) Any of its subcategories except Business and Economy or Travel and Tourism should be fine for a beginner.

I'm not about to fill out the form for you, but I do recommend that you treat it as seriously as you would a job application - because that's what it is. The only difference is that you get paid in satisfaction rather than money :)

[hinote]

Hi, I live in Ireland and I tried to become an editor several times, different categories, etc (all in Ireland).
I was turned down each time.
Based on this posting, I tried to become editor for museums in Scotland.
Small category, looking for an editor, etc.
Again I was turned down. I thought my application looked good (even if I say so myself).
What I find extraordinary is that it takes so long to be listed, and still an editor request can be rejected so quickly.
I am interested in becoming an editor and I have some time to dedicate to same.
Anyone any ideas.?

[jimnoble]

We can't comment on individual applications but the email declining yours will have given reasons - in general terms if not specific ones. I suggest you study it in conjunction with our editor guidelines before trying again.

What I find extraordinary is that it takes so long to be listed, and still an editor request can be rejected so quickly.
Doesn't that indicate that ODP wants editors and is keen to process applications promptly? I suspect you'd have been even unhappier if you'd have had to wait a couple of months or longer for a decision :).

[hinote]

Hi Jimnoble, I take your point and thank you for taking the time to reply.
However, if the ODP really wants more editors, then they should be more helpful with their rejection comments.
In essence, the rejection is a summary of the guidelines (incomplete application, improper spelling, etc). There is nothing there to indicate what the problem may have been. I can accept being rejected, but I feel I am owed the courtesy of a more detailed / helpful reply.
There is a 'Reviewer Comments' section which has not contained anything on any of my rejections. Without getting into a public slagging match, I could argue that I got an incomplete rejection.

[jimnoble]

Still generalising :) .

Apart from the basics such as honesty and things that come under attention to detail, the most common problem that I see is unsuitable candidate URLs. Quite often the ones proposed for the category should be listed in their localities or even in a completely different branch of the directory, and not the category being requested.

[hinote]

Hi, I appreciate the difficulty in evaluating a submissions from people you have never heard of. Just because an applicant has a tpyo in their submission, or because it was a Monday submission, consideration should be given to same. Actually, my submission was on a Monday, the day after the Captain's Prize at our local golf club, lots of fog, etc. Seriously, you are loosing good people at an early stage as they will not hang around to be continually rejected. For example when I do my driving test, the rules of the road are clear guidelines. When I fail, I am given clear pointers as to where I need to improve. I am not directed back to read the rules of the road.
Yours, in all honesty.................

[jimnoble]

Just because an applicant has a tpyo in their submission, or because it was a Monday submission, consideration should be given to same.We think that we should be seeking editors who do pay attention to details such as spelling, grammar and site selection. If we didn't, quality standards would dive.

I'm sorry, but I'm not able to fill out the application for you or give personalised advice. If you're willing to give it another try, bear in mind the general advice you've already received and the copious documentation elsewhere and give it your best shot. After all, it's a job application and anything less than your best shot is unlikely to succeed.

PS. Tenacity is also a quality we seek :)

[cuzco]

Still generalising :) .

Apart from the basics such as honesty and things that come under attention to detail, the most common problem that I see is unsuitable candidate URLs. Quite often the ones proposed for the category should be listed in their localities or even in a completely different branch of the directory, and not the category being requested.

That is exactly the mistake I made on my first application :o

Pays to look around and familiarise yourself with overall structure - differences with nationwide, regions and localities. Also important to check the submission guidelines for that particular category. Took me hours to find some quality sites for my application, especially as most of the sites i found were already in the ODP.

[hinote]

It is becoming a lot clearer. :)
jimnoble and cuzco have offered some very useful pointers.

Just a question on preferred directory structure..... :confused:

How do you decide whether a listing should go in 'Localities' of the more general 'Region'.
For example Hotel X is in Town Y and County Z
It it better to have it listed in the Town (locality) with other town sites, or have it under Accommodation in the Region.

[jimnoble]

For example Hotel X is in Town Y and County Z
I'm using the UK & Ireland structures to explain. Other countries might be slightly different to reflect their administrative organisations, but the same principles hold good throughout Regional.

In the main, websites are listed in their localities and area claimed to be covered is ignored. A locality will normally be a town or village, but if the organisation has several branches all within one county, it's listed at county level. If it has branches in several counties which are all in one region (A region is an English EC admin area consisting of several counties), it's listed at the region level. If it has branches in several regions, it's listed at country level. The first bullet point starts with in the main. This is because it would be perverse to list Dorset County Council in Dorchester when it obviously belongs at Dorset county level for example.

These guidelines are already publicly available in our Regional Guidelines of course. Google for em.

We find that many submitters think they can make their website seem more important by submitting it at too high a level. All that does is make work for the editor who has to move it. It's also likely to increase listing delays - because two editors might have to handle it instead of just the one it could have been.

[hinote]

Hi all,
coupled with the advise from Jim, I studied the guidelines in great detail and re-submitted. I must have done something right, as I have not been rejected so far.
Seriously.... I think the reviewers are looking for prospective editors to put in the effort with their submissions. Jim gives some excellent advise, but is probably being careful not to spoon feed. The guidelines are actually very good, but need to be studied in detail. I made some very basic mistakes with my initial efforts, because I had skimmed through the guidelines. Here's hoping.....

[kctipton]

http://resource-zone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1289 is a pretty good FAQ.

[hassleback]

People should remember that not everyone is cut out to be an editor of a directory. Most people aren't suited for it. That doesn't mean you can't contribute to the Internet in other ways. Just don't get hung up on editting ODP.

[NFFC]

>Most people aren't suited for it.

In your not so humble opinion.

I think *most* people probably are, maybe it is the "organisation" that is poor in indentifying/recruiting/seeking them?

[halfacat]

Sorry to get somewhat off topic here, but my boss just stated in a SEO strategy meeting the the ODP is not of the same value that it used to be.

Any suggestions or comments you can give me to argue otherwise?

Personally I think the ODP is great and very important, but I need the 'cold hard facts' to win her over.

Thanks,
cat

[AussieWebmaster]

I would agree that it's high prominence has passed.

[hinote]

Hi,
anyone know is there is a way of determining if one's application to become a DMOZ editor is still being considered.?
I submitted an application some months back and I was rejected immediately.
I read the guidelines (as I should have done in the first place) and resubmitted.
I have not been rejected, but I wonder if my application is still being considered.
It would be something interesting to do to pass the long winter evenings..........

[kctipton]

Read

http://resource-zone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1289

then

http://resource-zone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10705

and then visit

http://resource-zone.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=11

[jimnoble]

Ask here (http://resource-zone.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=11). You'll likely need to register to post and don't forget to read the forum gudelines first :)

[creativecraig]

hinote, have you tried logging in? Sounds crazy but I know some one who got let in but they were never informed and were actual editors for nearly two weeks before they realised.

[hinote]

Hi,
I logged in, requested an update and got an immediate reply.
I have never met guys who can come back with bad news so fast and still be so totally unresponsive when it comes to doing real wrok.

Anyhow.... I was told that my request had been refused a few days after my the submission was made and to go back and check my email.
I have checked my email (spams folders and all), but I have no record of the refusal email.

I am going to give up on ODP.
Pity, because I had the time to put into it and I actually had something to offer.
I thought my last request was reasonably ok.
I had read the guidelines and spent time looking for suitable new websites.

If I were managing this process, I would do the following :
- give the full reason for refusal (not go back and read guidelines).
- have a probation period for new editors to get to know them.

How they can evaluate a persons ability to act as an editor based on a cryptic submission form is beyond me.
Maybe that is why the ODP is becoming less popular.

Over and out.....

[strategicrankings]

its been a long time since i've given up.

[hinote]

Hi, thats easy for you to say, but when the rules are unclear and the reasons for rejection are even more unclear, I prefer to walk away.

The challenge for me would have been to work on the category content, not to become an editor.
The first time I had seen ODP, I though it looked really interesting. Now I understand why some many people complain about it.

[jimnoble]

I have never met guys who can come back with bad news so fast and still be so totally unresponsive when it comes to doing real wrok.Let me understand this. You went to Resource Zone to ask a question as advised. You got a fast response from a volunteer who owed you nothing, though not one you were pleased to see. You returned here to complain that the meta responded too quickly when s/he should have been doing some real wrok.I don't understand your logic. Would you rather have been ignored?

My personal opinion is that both you and ODP have had a fortunate escape. We'll get over it and I hope you do too.

[hinote]

Jim,
you pick up on one point and criticise me for that.
I am not complaining about the editor coming back quickly.
IMHO those people tend to come back with bad news faster than they do wth good news, ie, a refusal to a prospective editor versus a request to add a worthy site to the ODP directory.

Why not address the real issue.?

> If I were managing this process, I would do the following :
> - give the full reason for refusal (not go back and read guidelines).
> - have a probation period for new editors to get to know them.

> How they can evaluate a persons ability to act as an editor based on a > cryptic submission form is beyond me.

IMO ODP appears to lack real management experience.
When did you last review the guidelines, or are they like that because 'this is the way we always did it'?

[macdesign]

All accepted editors effectively are under probation. Applying for a second category is going to be harder than the first, it's expected that new editors are not going to be perfect and will have to learn the ropes and improve ttheir editing. They are being watched for how well they do this.

Although I don't review and approve editors, I believe that the approval process for a new editor is in fact somewhat lenient, despite all the claims about how hard it is to get in.

I think that many rejections are a result of simply not bothering to read and follow the guidelines. Take a look at resource zone and some of the threads about editors applying.

You will see things like this.

Applicant: "I applied and was imediately rejected, I don;t know why, I have a PhD in applied linguisticew and me grammmer is perfect."

RZ: "The category you applied for has over 100 sites, and we don't like giving that size category to a new editor"

Applicant: "Well, that does not apply to me, I'm an expert in my field, and can easily hande that"

RZ: "Why don't you apply for one of the sub-categories that is smaller in size, maybe something that has less than 30 sites."

Applicant: "I applied again and was rejected - why do you make it so hard"

RZ: "You applied for a section that has 80 sites, we suggested applying for something with less than 30"

Applicant: "I didn't notice that, I'll try again"

RZ: "You applied for a section that already has an editor, we don't think that's a good idea for a new editor"

Applicant: "I got rejected again"

RZ: "Your application provided only two sites, and they are both already listed in that category"

.. and so on

[I, Brian]

Certainly there are some people who don't read the guidelines - but there are also some of us who do. In fact, I never even heard back from my last submission, and when I asked at Resource Zone, I was told that if I haven't heard back, then I'm probably rejected.

I run a couple of large reference sites, but am constantly left with the feeling that if I have any vested interested at all in being listed - even in small non-commercial categories with no editors - then I will be rejected outright for it.

The general impression is that - in certain areas at least - there's a certain degree of personal snobbery involved in the appraisal of editor applications.

Also - I run the largest online collection of a very niche type of literature. However, my application to have the lit submitted at DMOZ was rejected, on the grounds that it was a private collection, not a university run one. Apparently, universities with fragmentary collections can have their individual texts listed - even if exactly they host the exact same texts - yet the largest online collection is disallowed because it's privately administrated.

In my opinion, there are some aspects of DMOZ that work well - but in other areas, are very, very wrong.

[sully]

Certainly there are some people who don't read the guidelines - but there are also some of us who do. In fact, I never even heard back from my last submission

I've never heard anything from my submissions either. I applied to the category where my site is already listed. Could that be the problem?

edited to add: The cat is very small and has no editor. Is there an unwritten rule that says you can't edit the category in which your site is listed?

[macdesign]

I don't review editor applications, so I don't know, but I would think that if it seemed the only purpose of your application was to list your own site, then you would not be welcome. I have seen one or two editors who spent most of their time editing and re-editing their own site, and ignoring other sites in the category. Eventually someone notices and they get removed.

My first category I just had an interest in, and no sites, the 13th categroy I applied for, I did so because I had a site waiting to be reviewed there, and stated that on my application, but by that time, I'd added over 800 other sites.

There are definitely editors who edit categories that contain their own sites.

[mcanerin]

I edit a category containing my own site. One difference in my case is that my site was in there before I became an editor.

In my case there is no problem with me promoting people who are technically my competitors (I believe in "bigger pie" economics), but I have heard people talking about wanting to be an editor so they could prevent their competitors from getting in. Personally, I feel that's the wrong reason to want to become an editor. I doubt I'm the only one.

One key, I think, is to choose some really good sites that should be in the category you are applying for but are not in there and are not in any other category. People try to offer up sites that are not a good fit (or are already in the index in another area) all the time.

Being unable to do a basic check or offer a good site during an application is hardly a recommendation for being an editor, since that's what an editor DOES.

Make darn sure the sites you suggest in your application are excellent and relevant. If you can't find any, you are either not qualified to be an editor or the category probably doesn't need an editor, IMO.

Ian

[macdesign]

Yeah it's obtuse logic trying to elimate your competitor. In my city when I want to go to a high end photo with a large selection, they are all located witihin the same block. The idea being, the customer traffic is alll going there because there is a large selection of stores, so if opening a new one, open it in the same place.

[mcanerin]

I once worked for a large retailer here in Canada (Future Shop) who was bought by a large retailer in the US (Best Buy). Although there are some differences between the two, they are very much the same in most areas (consumer electronics).

They opened up a new Best Buy right across the road from an existing FS, and many people felt it was a very stupid decision, since all you would be doing is splitting the profits between the stores and doubling the overhead.

In reality, the FS lost some sales for a half a month, then went back up to about 95% of normal sales for the rest. The BB gained throughout the month. By the second month both stores were above what the original store was making, effectively more than doubling the amount of profits.

Why? Because people who may not go a long distance to visit one store would go to be able to visit both. It became the place to go for people wanting consumer electronics. McDonalds restaurants has also noticed that when a competitor opens up a store across the street they always lose a few sales for a week or so and then not only move back, but usually make more than they were before - in the meantime the competitor was also doing well.

Right now, I'm involved in helping form the Internet Marketing Association of Canada and that's the theory there, too. We have statistics that show that the spend on internet advertising here in Calgary (for example) is about 30% of what it should be.

Although almost all of the founders are competitors, we all believe that by working together to increase the size of the "pie" we all benifit without having to snipe at each other over who is getting what percentage of a much smaller amount.

When a wolf works by itself, they are usually stuck eating ground squirrels and field mice, with the very occasional deer - which is often too big for them to handle (and eat).

When a wolf works in a pack, each wolf has to share, but the pack is so much more efficient and effective that each wolf ends up with more food at the end of the day.

Ian

[sully]

I don't review editor applications, so I don't know, but I would think that if it seemed the only purpose of your application was to list your own site, then you would not be welcome.


My site has been listed there for 3 years. It had an editor until recently but the category has not grown in 4 years, so I suppose a few edits were made here and there to have kept the editor status for so long. Granted, there are not many sites that could be added, but there are some. I thought it would be a good place to begin editing because it is not an overwhelming category and I am very familiar with this field.

One of the things suggested here I did not add to my application because I have not seen it listed in the guidelines. :) I did not make recommendations as to how some of the existing listings could be improved or perhaps moved to more appropriate categories. I thought this was an unacceptable thing to do on an application. :confused: Do all editors welcome this kind of feedback on applications?

In other forums, I have seen people encouraging others to apply to become editors in order to get their sites listed, and I also know that some of these people have been accepted. In fact, I have seen editors advise people to apply if they don't like how long it takes to get their sites listed.

Anyway, like I said, my site is already listed. It is very discouraging to know that people with ulterior motives can get accepted but I cannot!

If one doesn't hear anything for several months after submitting an application, is it considered spamming to submit another one?

[randfish]

DMOZ's popularity and value is propogated by the webmaster & SEO communities. It would be to our advantage to blacklist the DMOZ as though it were a spam site.

The quality of information, both timeliness and quality of sites is very poor. The editors are, on the whole, not dedicated and not interested in listing new sites.

The idea behind DMOZ was great, and that tradition continues at sites like Wikipedia. But, DMOZ is a poor resource with a poor system. The value of their links to our community is all that keeps them propped up. Do the web a favor and blacklist the DMOZ.

BTW I say this as an editor who has been with DMOZ (in several incarnations) since 1999. I'm sad to see something I've dedicated a lot of effort to fail and become corrupt, but I accept it and it's time to move on.

[hassleback]

Randfish, I hope you resign from the project ASAP.

I'm sorry you feel the way you do, but please do not use the words "fail" and "corrupt" when talking about ODP. Neither comes close to describing the directory or the organization.

[Nick W]

but please do not use the words "fail" and "corrupt" when talking about ODP. Neither comes close to describing the directory or the organization.

and back in the real world....

To the OP: Whatever you do, dont criticize odp in any way (http://www.threadwatch.org/node/347) <--- THIS LINK IS ON MY WEBSITE OK? they get all upset about it, the blinkers get put on and they rant and rant about the same tired old stuff all thread long :eek:

[Marcia]

I was under the impression this was the topic here - from the first post:

So what can i do next to become editor? Do i apply for a category that i will not have fun with or do i simply give up?I certainly would, if it were important enough to become an editor and got turned down for the category I wanted.

Sometimes things in life simply aren't fun, and sometimes we have to "pay our dues" so to speak, in order to accomplish what our personal goals are. If being an editor is an important goal, imho a little boredom isn't too much of a price to pay.

I believe one of the things at least some of them might possibly look at when assessing candidates, judging from what I've seen of them publicly posting over the years, is motivation. I've gotten the impression that some feel it's a worthwhile project they're personally dedicated to and contributing to, and want to encourage others who have the same type of motivation - to build something they feel is worthwhile. I don't know, but it isn't impossible that attitudes can sometimes come across and have an influence.

Also, another point - just wondering something about this link:

dont criticize odp in any way
This is a discussion going on right here amongst members about applying to become an editor, and that is a link posted to another discussion with not only highly negative, insulting remarks made about a member currently posting in this very thread, but opinions about an unauthorized quote from a forum post that was removed because it was in turn apparently an unauthorized quote from this:

Discussion at Resource Zone about site submission to ODP (http://resource-zone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27230)

That is a different topic from this thread here, which is about applying to be an editor.

Are we supposed to go sign up at the site to respond and participate in that other discussion or are we supposed to respond to and discuss your discussion right here in this thread?

[Nick W]

Also, another point - just wondering something about this link:

dont criticize odp in any way

This is a discussion going on right here amongst members, and that is a link posted to another discussion with opinions. Are we supposed to go sign up at the site to respond and participate in that discussion or are we supposed to respond to and discuss your discussion right here in this thread?


http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/faq.php?faq=vb_read_and_post#faq_links

Can I talk about my own product, service, article, etc?
Sure. If itÕs relevant to a discussion thatÕs already started, participate as appropriate. Be forthright Ð let people know any relevant connections. YouÕll get more respect from the community by doing this. Members posting only for the sake of self promotion will be edited as necessary. Please note that we have a specific forum for soft launch and beta test announcements for members to give here.


Im not bothered what you do Marcia. If you have a problem, i suggest you take it up with danny or elisabeth.

[Marcia]

Still not clear Nick, how are we supposed to handle that discussion? Quote it or what?

I'm not sure about that or what we're supposed to do - it isnt really clear.

All I did was respond to the topic as it indicates in the original post, and respond to the question the original poster asked. That's what I thought he wanted, and what we're supposed to do - give opinions and answers to his questions in his post. So I gave my opinion about that - the original topic, as intended by the person who started the thread. :)

[Nick W]

Dont have the time to play games with you marcia, go hassle some other poor sod please...

[Marcia]

hutcheson
please do not use the words "fail" and "corrupt" when talking about ODP. Neither comes close to describing the directory or the organization.Neither is it relevant concerning the topic being discussed, as originally posted in the first message, which is

So what can i do next to become editor? Do i apply for a category that i will not have fun with or do i simply give up? It's probably safe to think that the topic is about discussing the application and approval process for becoming an editor.

Yet another ODP bashing session doesn't come close to discussing the application process or requirements - it's a different topic altogether. So is discussing or bashing another member another topic - regardless of where it was posted.

If anyone thinks ODP has failed or is corrupt all they have to do is ignore it and not bother to apply or resign from it. It's really very simple - quit or don't apply. And not submit their sites - or have their sites removed, if they really want to take a stand on principles. IMHO, anything less is hypocracy.

Back on topic, the thread title here reads, and what anyone clicking on it expects to see discussed, is

Tips on Becoming an ODP EditorSo what in the world has that got to do with whinging and ODP bashing?

Regarding not telling "specifics" as to why applications are turned down, I can see some logic and reason to it, in the same way that the search engines won't give specifics when sites are banned or penalized. In a lot of cases, if the specifics were revealed some people would find ways to get around it in less than legitimate ways for less than legitimate reasons.

Make darn sure the sites you suggest in your application are excellent and relevant. If you can't find any, you are either not qualified to be an editor or the category probably doesn't need an editor, IMO.I've looked at a couple of local categories I'd love to have applied for, but when thoroughly checking there weren't sites to be found to submit, either online or going through the local yellow pages at length - not even 3. So no, when thinking about it there's no editor needed for those categories, it would be a waste.

In all fairness, there is a logic behind the structure of the local categories, but it isn't easy to get your head wrapped around exactly which ones are what when it comes to figuring out the difference between county, region, etc. and where some sites should go.

[peanutpad]

Don't feel bad if you don't get accepted to be a DMOZ editor. it took me some time and I finally got accepted to a small category. I am going to try and apply to a larger one in a few months. After getting rejected a couple times I read this article <snip> and just like that I was excepted. Make sure you take your time and read the article and then try again. If you have tried previously they will have your IP on record so make sure you either restart you computer of if your good on the prompt use iprelease good luck

[Marcia]

After getting rejected a couple times I read this article <snip> and just like that I was excepted. Peanutpad, your article is dated June 12, 2007 so it really does sound like it's too soon to have been accepted. I never have heard of it happening in that kind of timeframe.