View Full Version : Is Google using Registration Info in Algo?
AussieWebmaster
10-03-2005, 02:55 PM
Has anyone noticed sites getting lowered for reasons they cannot work out?
I am starting to think that the registration info is being factored in... anyone have any comments????
Nacho
10-03-2005, 03:01 PM
we have not tested for this yet.
cahbaxter
10-03-2005, 04:24 PM
Has anyone noticed sites getting lowered for reasons they cannot work out?
I am starting to think that the registration info is being factored in... anyone have any comments????
What makes you think this is the case?
randfish
10-03-2005, 04:28 PM
It's hard for me to imagine that they're not using it. After all - the more information they can use, the better the results will be overall, right? I can't imagine search engineers not testing and eventually finding a way to incorporate that information, if not right now then very soon.
From my perspective, the question has to be, "why wouldn't they" and not "are they".
AussieWebmaster
10-03-2005, 07:16 PM
A few sites on different servers that were registered at the same time have been downgraded recently... all sites are clear variations on a similiar theme but different nonetheless... like US Dollar vs Euro info....
I'm pretty sure they are using the information in some form.
This is because I have a site in development - sort of a pet project - that has found its way into the G index. I think they are using registration info because no one even knows about this site yet. It hasn't been submitted anywhere nor linked to from anywhere because of its development status.
Yet somehow it has appeared in the index.
MilesAway
10-04-2005, 10:04 PM
I have to say I think they do.
It seems to me from my studies across a few hundred sites that when and to whom (in which geography) can affect ranking. It also seems like this is only taken into account on an incremental basis (ie. every 21-30 days) just like the old dance - which would make sense as they need to compute a huge amount of data to take into acount factors external to content on a scheduled basis rather than dynamic due to the amount of data to process. It is probable that new PR calcs are done at this time as well.
I say that as my background is data warehousing and data analysis - and that is normally the way you have to work - live updates to keep data current and then historical analysis on a a scheduled basis which then changes the previous live assumptions.
In reference to the registration info - it seems to me that all sorts of info about the registration can trigger an increase or decrease in ranking with no other change made - it does however seem that over the past few weeks something has changed.
As a side note - as soon as your register a .com domain it will start to be crawled at a basic level within weeks, that I assume is a result of Google becoming a domain registrar. Obviously using this status to discover new sites and pages faster than the competition.
projectphp
10-04-2005, 10:42 PM
Using it to find sites seems a bit scarey!
I would assume it can only help relevancy, and am with Rand. If they don;t use it now, they certainly will at some point!
dannysullivan
10-05-2005, 07:22 AM
This is because I have a site in development - sort of a pet project - that has found its way into the G index. I think they are using registration info because no one even knows about this site yet. It hasn't been submitted anywhere nor linked to from anywhere because of its development status.
I don't see how your personal registration data with Google would have lead to this, unless you registered an email address with them that used that domain.
More likely, this is a brand new site on a brand new domain, I'm guessing. If so, Google and some of the other search engines watch for new registrations and pay a visit to the domains. If you haven't put in a robots.txt file to block them, then they'll index it.
Chris_D
10-05-2005, 10:44 AM
<takes mod hat off/ tin foil hat on>
I think it's a bit like KFC. To the uninitiated it may just be a dead chook - but there haven't yet been any discussions on the secret herbs & spices.......
If so, Google and some of the other search engines watch for new registrations and pay a visit to the domains. Some have more information than others though:
1. spot the ICANN accredited domain-name registrars who are also search engines from this list.... http://www.icann.org/registrars/accredited-list.html
2. which SE's have got a toolbar?
3. Who knows about the site? Who's toolbar were you using?
<tin foil hat off/ mod hat on>
:)
St0n3y
10-05-2005, 12:21 PM
The registration information that I think they might be using the most would be domain registration date, and for how many years it's been purchased.
searchenginewatch.com was purchased 3/28/98 and expires 3/19/2006. Google might look at that and conclude
a) These guys are established, and/or
b) these guys many not plan to be around much longer
Let's say a competitor's domain was purchased 6/10/05 and expires 6/10/15. Google might conclude:
a) these guys are NOT established but popular (assuming lots of links), and/or
b) these guys plan on sticking around a while.
This information could factor into the algorithm any number of ways based on the conclusions above. All of this would be pretty easy to weigh in as well.
AussieWebmaster
10-05-2005, 12:59 PM
<takes mod hat off/ tin foil hat on>
I think it's a bit like KFC. To the uninitiated it may just be a dead chook - but there haven't yet been any discussions on the secret herbs & spices.......
Some have more information than others though:
1. spot the ICANN accredited domain-name registrars who are also search engines from this list.... http://www.icann.org/registrars/accredited-list.html
2. which SE's have got a toolbar?
3. Who knows about the site? Who's toolbar were you using?
<tin foil hat off/ mod hat on>
:)
I love dead chook....