Google Experts Please Help

[Nitrous]

Hey guys i know you have seen this title many times before but thank you so much for checking it out. I consider myself fairly well versed in understaning se's but i'm clueless with google. What does it take? website is nitrousdirect.com trying to show up on first page under search for nitrous kit or nitorus kits and nitrous oxide would be great too.. Don't know how much more relevant i can be or what is hurting me on the site. PLEASE any help would be greatly appreciated, and I'd pay also for anyone who could really get me dialed in on google. Let me know thanks! Even tried getting posted in ezines etc.. shrug

[broomd]

Not sure how this site is optimized for search placement in any search engine. Are you doing well in other search engines for these terms? :cool:

[Nitrous]

yes very well in msn

[Robert_Charlton]

Nitrous - How old is your site? How old are your inbound links? Google has an aging factor built into its algo for both of these.

Google also relies more on inbound links than do Yahoo and MSN, and may be fussier about where they come from. You definitely need more good quality, relevant inbound links. You might want to do a bit of research on the forum here about what a good quality link is.

I see on your home page and in your title you have many more repetitions of the word "nitrous" than I'd be comfortable with, but I see you're successful with that on MSN. I'd try reducing it gradually. You generally don't see sites with three repetitions of their main keyword in a title doing well in Google, or at least I don't remember them in areas I'm in.

Thanks, btw, for making me remember to call my dentist (truly). :D

[Nitrous]

about a year old..

anything i can do to get better listed this really stinks! help ;)

have been working on getting more 1 way links.. nothing seems to help


lol

[glengara]

I'd suggest you do nothing further until you've done some decent home-work on this subject, or hired someone competent ;-)

G is already showing a number of FFA links to your site, if you're not very careful, you'll shoot yourself in both feet....

[Nitrous]

ok.. but that doesn't really tell me what to do or what's wrong with i'm doing... ;) i'm all ears

[glengara]

* i'm all ears*

You should be all eyes, go off and do some reading....

[Robert_Charlton]

glengara's definitely right about the reading. You need to learn what a good link is, and then to get some.

A simple guideline that comes to mind... if the site you're requesting the link from will link to anyone, or there's some under the table link swapping scheme involved, run the other way.

This thread might give you some ideas...

Google and website profiles
http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=6709

[cahbaxter]

Nelson Regarding Links:

start here: http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=2616

and remember that fresh, relevant content should generate it's own inbound links.

[Nitrous]

do ezines articles seem to work well?

[SEO1]

Nitrous Eh??

Well you used the gas so much on your home page it probably gassed your website to a death (read penalty) with Google.

Try to remember the search engine spider known as 'googlebot' like links with keywords in them but there is too much of a good thing and your past that as well.


SPAM

Eat It

Learn It

Read It

Digest It

Just Don't Do It


Peace

[cahbaxter]

do ezines articles seem to work well?

Depends what you mean by ezines:

If by 'ezine' you mean a website and you have links to your site from a relevant, authorative page that is indexed by the engines, then, a resounding YES, this will help massively.

If 'ezine' refers to a subscribed email, the link may well generate traffic, (which is your aim presumably) but the SEO value will be minimal as I don't believe that any of the engines index our inboxes for the purposes of rankings (although they all could presumably as Google, MSN and Yahoo all have online mail accounts)

You need to alter your link strategy, as I've just done a quick backlink check on your domain and virtually the first link is on a page titled 'free for all link page' hmmmmmmmm........don't know whether G, Y and MSN could spot this as spam ;)

as before, read 'Links 101' (see my previous post).

[Nitrous]

how do i remove the ffa links, and can anyone tell me how many refrences to nitrous kits i can or can not have.. anything in particular i should try changing ro doing to the page? Would really appreciate it..

alos here is an exmaple of an ezine that links to my site


http://ezinearticles.com/?Nitrous-Kits:-NOS-Parts-Increase-Horsepower-Offer-Best-Bang-for-Buck?&id=69169

thanks for your time!

[SEO1]

Hi nitrous

I would think an overall keyword link density of 20% would be fine.

The link from ezine articles is essentially of little value, the page that the link comes from has a Google PR of 0.

Mathematically 0 + 0 = zero

There is some intrinsic value but not much.

Now if you could get a link from an automotive website like car & driver or bumpstop.com then it would have some value, which in turn would give your site a bump up the ladder.

Rung by rung you must climb!!

Peace

[Nitrous]

ok i'll try and check my density off to find a density checker ;)

and man it's hard to get links on sites like those!! ;)

is it all about the links to your site or are there other tricks? would someone be able to get my site better indexed?

ok density updates


for nitrous
48 nitrous 27.27%

13 nitrous kits 17.11%


so is nitrous too high and nitrous kits too low is it that specific to be near 20%?


Also when you search nitrous kits http://www.zex.com/ comes up first with no keyword density at all all graphics.. how did they do that?

[SEO1]

Hi nitrous

I don't want to specify what parts of each equals front page results as there is no exact formula that I know of or want to imply that there is.


In my eyes its a sum of the whole kind of thing. Links come naturally if you write well on a subject. If you have a love and passion for what it is you do then the words should be able to flow effortlessly and people will read your thoughts and link to your site.

Links on car sites like I mentioned are indeed hard to garner but just like anything in life winning comes to those who try hardest... Tis why only one team is champion in a sport each year.

If you place the zex full url into Googles search box and look at the pages that link to zex, I think you'll see they have done quite well in gaining valued links in Googles eyes.

You might want to write in popular car forums much like a lot of SEOs do in SEO forums. Find one that gives a sig link and help your own cause.

Lastly the algorithim consists of 100 parts that we've been told, those sites that solve the most of those equations are the ones found on the front pages...So find what it is they do and then do the same and then be a little better...

Hope this helps

Clint

[cahbaxter]

So find what it is they do and then do the same


Without duplicating their content ;)

[Nitrous]

I just can't figure it out i see all kinds of content and non content on the top sites under those keywords i really can't figure this out, anyone point out something specific? PLEASE??? ;) Thanks

[SEO1]

Now you finally understand what all SEO's know

There is no rhyme or reason, to the unseeing eye, and those who can see it are paid well to do so.

There is no specificity you must solve as much as you can, worry about visitors first, search engines second.

Live by Google, Die by Google.

Clint

[Nitrous]

sigh that doesn't help...


Anyone? Please point out things i can or need to change

Also looking to hire someone please pm me

[Robert_Charlton]

Live by Google, Die by Google.

Come on, Clint... give us a break. :rolleyes:

...i see all kinds of content and non content on the top sites under those keywords i really can't figure this out...

Nitrous - In SEO terms, content has several functions...

- If content is deemed relevant and not spam when it's indexed by search engines, it will help you rank. You've repeated the word "nitrous" so often that it looks spammy. This apparently is working for MSN right now. It may or may not work for Google.

- It also helps if content is good enough that people feels it's worth linking to and they link to it. Sometimes informative content works... sometimes simply a well organized catalogue and really good prices can do it. Good inbound links also help you rank better. The quality of inbound links is probably more important on Google than on MSN and Yahoo.

- The content also needs to relate to your audience. In your field, I can imagine a variety of user types. Your site might work for one type and turn off another. Ideally, you can capture the whole range, but I don't know who you're targeting... didn't spend that much time on the site.

In any event, your site does need some onpage work. Beyond that, it needs good inbounds, built naturally from credible sources. Your competitors may or may not have gotten their inbounds because of the quality of the content, but, I predict that, longterm, the links gotten that way will help you more than links gotten other ways.

Also, keep in mind that, in Google, links take some time to be credited, so it may be a while before you begin to rank.

[glengara]

Nitrous, there are forums that will (forgive the expression) hand-hold newbies, but this isn't the best one for that.

I'd suggest you put your site in for a review in the "High Rankings" and "I Help You" forums.

[SEO1]

Hi Robert

Give us a break with Live by Google Die by Google ???

over the years i've seen so many people say Google destroyed their business that this became my new mantra to wake people up that Google does not make or break a well planned and built business

Do you feel Google is the only place to advertise??

I don't :D

Clint