Google Ban?

[critter]

HEY ALL.....

Nice to see Google back on their feet!

Quick question. I am doing some work for a company in the online gambling/gaming industry and one of their sites seemed to be banned a few months ago. It began with a PR4 and all of the sudden one day it's PR dropped to 0. I am assuming this was caused by a ban.

How long usually till the ban is lifted and anything one can do to get the site back in Google's good books?

Thanks

Cheers

Critter
:)

[Marcia]

The way I understand it, being banned is "Banishment from the Kingdom" - getting booted out of the index altogether. Having PR stripped and rankings lost is what I understand to be a penalty.

There have been people who said they've come back, and I've seen permanent penalties, too. It sounds like you're new to working with them and have inherited a problem there. If you can identify what they did, make all the necessary corrections and get it cleaned up, you can write to Google. It can't hurt to try.

[Incubator]

Hey Critter, I dont believe they are banned jus not crawld yet, thus the sites have only been indexed.

If they were banned you would see the IP block on all the sites sitting on the same "banned list" since they are coming from the same IP

cheers

[Joseph Morin]

First step is to see if you are even in the index. Type "www.domain.com" into Google and see if information about the site displays. If the query returns a "no information about..." statement, then you are not in the index.

[brainpulse]

I guess it is just a part of the game and one has to be cautious in doing what one is doing. I wish you good luck

[NFFC]

>The way I understand it, being banned is "Banishment from the Kingdom" - getting booted out of the index altogether. Having PR stripped and rankings lost is what I understand to be a penalty.

I'd go with that or to put it another way, either you got banned by a human or caught in a filter.

Its a long while [touch wood] since I have been banned so feel free to ignore this. If a human banned you you have no chance, just dump the site and move on. If you got caught in a filter it seems that now days they expire and after a time you should get back in. In my experience you always have a black mark against you though.

They have a process where you can ask for re-inclusion, I think you would be wasting both your time and valuable bandwidth if you tried.

"Hey Larry, got an email from a online gambling/gaming webmaster asking for reinclusion"

"Wow, what a coincidence, I was just thinking we were lacking in the online gambling/gaming industry space, I'll get right on it and see if we can get the poor guy back in"

"Thanks Sergey, you da man"

Is a very unlikely senerio.

I would dump the site and move on, if you got it banned put your hand up and admit it, tell the client you were just trying *too* hard. If some other person got it banned call them a doofus and tell the client you need to start afresh.

Imho

[Marcia]

>IP

Google doesn't ban by IP. If they did, then there would be an enormous number of sites excluded for no reason, particularly in the UK where unique IPs are harder to come by than they are here in the US.

[Incubator]

"Google's enforcement tactics include denying service to blocks of IP addresses when it cannot track down a specific abuser. The company's notice this month to Comcast users, for example, said it had shut off access to its services because "some person or people" had violated its terms of service agreement"

http://news.com.com/2100-1023-883558.html

Cheers
WC

[Marcia]

For violating TOS - 100 subscribers.

This month, about 100 Comcast subscribers were temporarily shut out of Google when the search company charged the high-speed Internet access provider with hosting some accounts that had abused its terms of service by performing "automated queries." The crackdown cut a wide swath, taking out a block of IP addresses, shutting down the guilty and innocent alike.

Denying access for abusing the system by running automated queries. Not the same as banning a site from the index for other reasons. There's a difference.

[Incubator]

WOW your right :) i had been carrying that theory for awhile nowi guess it does come down to domain name then ?


cheers and thanks had a chance to read a few more articles

WC

[Marcia]

Thanks for posting that article! People have still been wondering about using submission and reporting software. Google is *not* fond of either.

[NFFC]

>The company's notice this month to Comcast users, for example, said it had shut off access to its services because "some person or people" had violated its terms of service agreement"

You are getting confused between G! banning offensive acess IP's and banning web sites based on their IP.

As an example and in brief, if you run a spider on G! you risk getting your IP banned, but banned from running serchers at G!. If you have a web site that G! decides violates their TOS then you will have that domain banned.

It is very rare, and should continue to be so, that any search engine excludes sites based on their IP.

<added>Marcia you type too fast, does nothing change :)

[Incubator]

Cheer NFFC, im still learning everyday :eek:


Wc

[NFFC]

>im still learning everyday

Me too Inc, me too.