View Full Version : PageRank Update Underway: Update Danny
rustybrick
07-14-2005, 08:51 PM
http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/050714-203723
PageRank Update is underway. Good luck all.
Why not name it Update Danny. :)
Danny did get Google Sitemaps going.
Of interest related to those who monitor time frames:
I have a site I uploaded just shy of four weeks ago, and it got a PR of 3 in this recent update. Moreover, I have two other sites that I uploaded 3 weeks ago, and they got a PR of 2 in the same update; and I uploaded 2 other sites 2 weeks ago and no PR was reported.
And, "yes," I had links pointing to these sites from the get go.
With Metta
-Mac
By way of contrast new pages that were 301'd from existing pages and were indexed two weeks ago have not received any PR in this update.
I'm now seeing backlink updates on most (but not all) of my websites.
-Mac
With Metta
Wait, spoke to fast, the backlink update I was speaking of are only related to my brand new sites. Momentary lapse of evaluation there...
-Mac
With Metta
Robert_Charlton
07-14-2005, 11:20 PM
Time frames...
Based on top of my head recollections, I think I probably observed the ranking effects of these changes about four weeks ago ago.
With regard to PR showing for newer pages, I have file dates to refer to, and "new" internal pages which have been showing a white toolbar for just about 3 months to the day have just jumped up to a PR5. They've been ranking since they were indexed, though, back in mid-April.
Marcia
07-15-2005, 02:58 AM
Domains that were first registered on the 4th of June are showing PR, including internal pages that went up on the 15th & 16th. Those uploaded after aren't, so I assume that was close to some kind of cut-off point.
martinibuster
07-15-2005, 03:15 AM
Why not name it
Because it's not really an update... It's just a toolbar change. :)
This PR is a snapshot that I believe may have been taken between July 7th to yesterday. I'm pretty sure of that. I have a site that was linked to on July 7th, and it is showing PR. If the snapshot was taken prior to July 7th, then that site wouldn't be showing PR (unless I have the linkage date wrong, but I'm pretty sure of it).
smindsrt
07-15-2005, 04:26 AM
Because it's not really an update... It's just a toolbar change. :)
This PR is a snapshot that I believe may have been taken between July 7th to yesterday. I'm pretty sure of that. I have a site that was linked to on July 7th, and it is showing PR. If the snapshot was taken prior to July 7th, then that site wouldn't be showing PR (unless I have the linkage date wrong, but I'm pretty sure of it).
More like the middle of June or so.
Since I hoped Danny's article would quell a little of this page rank lunacy (which it obviously hasn't) and this thread started out a little "Tongue in Cheek" I though I'd continue with my own cheekiness (sp?)
Please fill in with your own phrase:
"If I read another post about Page Rank I'm gonna _______"
:) Natasha "That Girl From Marketing" Robinson
I must prais myself a little, I just got my first PR4 , and directly from PR0 . Tomorow will be a month since site is on net. And to say thank you all, 'cause I've learn a lot from you here, and from this site. I ofcourse, I am still learnin.
So far, nither one of my sites haven't got greater than PR3. Thenks again. :)
ephricon
07-15-2005, 03:45 PM
I must prais myself a little, I just got my first PR4 , and directly from PR0 . Tomorow will be a month since site is on net. And to say thank you all, 'cause I've learn a lot from you here, and from this site. I ofcourse, I am still learnin.
So far, nither one of my sites haven't got greater than PR3. Thenks again. :)
See this is why the post above yours says:
"If I read another post about Page Rank I'm gonna _______"
You are thanking people as if you've accomplished something. PR is no accomplishment. Its a little bar in the browser that has hardly any tie any more directly to rankings, traffic, etc. That said, its not even a current meaningless ("for entertainment purposes only") green bar, its an out-of-date one. Measure your success with traffic and sales. When those go up, brag away!!!
I am still learnin.
I didn't say I know everything. And don't say PR is just for entertainment, 'couse it's not everything, but is't nothing aither. Now, I know a littlebit more then few months ago. That's for shore.
ephricon
07-15-2005, 04:23 PM
Oh please don't misunderstand me - I wasn't trying to criticize your knowledge level at all. My apologies for any misunderstanding there.
I was, however, criticizing the notion that PR should be seen as a goal or accomplishment. Why do we do SEO? What do you really want?
Rankings?
Traffic?
Sales/Leads/Conversions?
The first two are meaningless without the third. Rankings only matter b/c they can help you get traffic, and traffic only matters b/c it can help you accomplish some goal. Whether that is sales, leads, loyal readers or whatever may vary. But the point is the end result is the best measurement, not the means for getting that. PR at best used to be a contributor towards the end result, but now I think most on this forum will agree has very little direct correlation to help rankings. Its not completely worthless - indeed its not - but I would be cautious of using that as your measuring stick b/c its quite possible to get a nice PR 7+ site that is worthless, and have a PR 0 or 2 site that helps contribute greatly to your goals.
Well, then it was misunderstanding . I agree about PR , but it is for shore one of a signs. There are lots of signs, and lots of other things I'm awere of that.
SebastianX
07-15-2005, 05:40 PM
Please fill in with your own phrase:
"If I read another post about Page Rank I'm gonna despair (http://sebastianx.blogspot.com/2005/07/green-tranquilizes.html)"
Couldn't resist.
smindsrt
07-15-2005, 07:14 PM
My daughter has a little saying she learned from school that applies to pagerank.
"You get what you get and you don't throw a fit." Lexy :D
Sometimes we just need to apply a little kindergarten advice to things. lol
esoos
07-15-2005, 09:36 PM
Got bumped up to a PR7.
...and yet I'm still outranked by a 5 and a 6 for my favorite keyword. :p
scangilli
07-16-2005, 02:29 AM
During this last PR update, I went from a PR 0 to a PR 4 on my blog....not bad at all
sootledir
07-16-2005, 07:40 AM
These updates get less exciting each time, especially since TBPR seems so unrelated to rankings.
smindsrt
07-16-2005, 10:29 AM
These updates get less exciting each time, especially since TBPR seems so unrelated to rankings.
I agree. It's just fun and games people put way too much into it. :D
mcanerin
07-16-2005, 01:33 PM
I sometimes wish I could walk into the Googleplex with a Larry Page mask or something and install a bunch of random number generators in place of things like TB PR and so forth - that would be really funny.
The only problem is, I'm not sure anyone would notice.....
Ian
AussieWebmaster
07-16-2005, 03:26 PM
I sometimes wish I could walk into the Googleplex with a Larry Page mask or something and install a bunch of random number generators in place of things like TB PR and so forth - that would be really funny.
The only problem is, I'm not sure anyone would notice.....
Ian
I will distract them at the Google Dance during SES and you can give it a shot!!!
critter
07-18-2005, 08:48 AM
I have read abit about last weeks PR update, and wondering what the experts in the house felt about this PR update and if me, they just felt Google is moving towards more relevanct within your link building efforts and less purchasing of those backlinks.
AussieWebmaster
07-18-2005, 10:12 AM
I have read abit about last weeks PR update, and wondering what the experts in the house felt about this PR update and if me, they just felt Google is moving towards more relevanct within your link building efforts and less purchasing of those backlinks.
I have not had a good chance to pick at this but are you saying that internal links look to be having a bigger impact?
How do you see link building efforts and relevancy?
So if you buy relevant links you are doing real well?
critter
07-19-2005, 05:27 AM
I have not had a good chance to pick at this but are you saying that internal links look to be having a bigger impact?
How do you see link building efforts and relevancy?
So if you buy relevant links you are doing real well?
Hi AussieWebmaster,
My feeling after this last PR update is a slight update to their backlink algo happened yet again.
What it seems like to me is Google is looking even harder for those purchasing links quite blatanly - and also, that all your link building efforts need to be as relevant as possible. This would include aquiring links within content pages from relevant sources to your website.
Also seems your reciprocal links need to be much more relevant to your website theme then your non-recips.
I see relevancy as the process of only going after relevant sites to your overall theme. For example if you run a travel site - possible link partners would include Hotel, Cruises, Flights, Rent a Cars, Vacation and of course Travel websites.
I only go after relevant/theme based links now a days and I can only speak from experience, but most sites I take this approach with end up top 10 within a few months, so long as the method in which I add links appears to be as natural as possible!
Cheers
Critter
AussieWebmaster
07-19-2005, 10:38 AM
Hi AussieWebmaster,
My feeling after this last PR update is a slight update to their backlink algo happened yet again.
What it seems like to me is Google is looking even harder for those purchasing links quite blatanly - and also, that all your link building efforts need to be as relevant as possible. This would include aquiring links within content pages from relevant sources to your website.
Also seems your reciprocal links need to be much more relevant to your website theme then your non-recips.
I see relevancy as the process of only going after relevant sites to your overall theme. For example if you run a travel site - possible link partners would include Hotel, Cruises, Flights, Rent a Cars, Vacation and of course Travel websites.
I only go after relevant/theme based links now a days and I can only speak from experience, but most sites I take this approach with end up top 10 within a few months, so long as the method in which I add links appears to be as natural as possible!
Cheers
Critter
That is if all other things are equal you are getting sites into top 10...
There must be a committment on your part of varying the anchor text but not too varied so as to fall over to another possible subset of terms.
You have to work your title tags just right and have a minimum of on page content to set the terms against, etc.
hinote
07-25-2005, 04:35 PM
One of my sites is PR6 on 14 of the Google servers and PR5 on the other 4.
It was PR5 on all prior to this update.
For the past 4 - 5 days all my searches seem to hit the PR5 servers.
Previous to that it was mixed.
Has something changed.?
Interesting. I have a site that went from 6 to 5 and is now a 5 on most DC's. But usually the toolbar still shows me a 6. Do we have personalized or regional PR now?
Gurtie
07-26-2005, 08:14 AM
you know there's a roomful of Google engineers reading this thread and giggling maniacly don't you?
I heard next week they plan to introduce the random PR generator; if the same IP goes to the same website more than 3 times a day they're going to really start mixing things up :p
dannysullivan
07-26-2005, 08:52 AM
Gurtie, I've actually seen the technology. It's a big giant spinning wheel in the main cafeteria. After you dump your dishes, you walk by it and are encouraged to give it a spin. There are about 100 different algorithms it can land on, and once the wheel stops, that's what locks in until the next time its spun again.
Gurtie
07-26-2005, 12:29 PM
you're actually seen it? wow!. Although even the Google Technology page is talking about it now, so I guess it'll be common knowledge shortly :)
we have dozens of engineers working to improve every aspect of Google on a daily basis,
dannysullivan
07-26-2005, 02:19 PM
Gurtie, you have to understand I'm limited as to what I can say. Certain aspects are to come out shortly, and I wouldn't want to be responsible for things showing up at a certain gray hat news site. But suffice to say that PageRank will be replaced by something that combines the concept of SPINning that wheel and ranking. I'd say SpinRank, but if I said that, I'd give too much away.
alexorella
07-26-2005, 04:26 PM
Our site went from a 7 to a 6 and it's bending my mind.
Also, I don't know if i'm living under a rock, but someone recently told me that if you have a PR of 6 or higher, Google spiders your site multiple times a day. I've never heard this before. Is it true?
Gurtie
07-26-2005, 04:48 PM
Our site went from a 7 to a 6 and it's bending my mind.
Also, I don't know if i'm living under a rock, but someone recently told me that if you have a PR of 6 or higher, Google spiders your site multiple times a day. I've never heard this before. Is it true?
I think it's just that the more Google sees your site as an authority the more likely it is to spider you frequently - it's another one of those things that may look like cause and effect but is actually just synchronicity imho
And lots of people are reporting a drop in PR - sounds like it's been generally devalued.
***
Danny I'd really like to continue this but I'm slightly concerned it's going to show up somewhere other than GHN if we do (I'll let you explain that one to Google :D ). Just quickly though - is this why they call Marissa the "Queen of Spin"?
Robert_Charlton
07-26-2005, 04:49 PM
...But suffice to say that PageRank will be replaced by something that combines the concept of SPINning that wheel and ranking. I'd say SpinRank, but if I said that, I'd give too much away.
Makes me dizzy just thinking about it. Any semi-serious talk here about rotating results?
alexorella
07-26-2005, 04:55 PM
[QUOTE=Gurtie]I think it's just that the more Google sees your site as an authority the more likely it is to spider you frequently - it's another one of those things that may look like cause and effect but is actually just synchronicity imho
And lots of people are reporting a drop in PR - sounds like it's been generally devalued.
Yeah, I suppose we're all trying to claw at some hard and fast rules that A leads to B when A could very well lead to 42. :)
SebastianX
07-26-2005, 06:20 PM
lead to 42 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything).
How come you found the answer (http://sebastianx.blogspot.com/2005/07/green-tranquilizes.html) that quickly? SpinRank is not yet launched officially, but you've managed a reengineering of the formula, congrats!
dannysullivan
07-27-2005, 05:38 AM
Any semi-serious talk here about rotating results?
Actually, there's long been talk that all the various search engines may occasionally do random things with their results. I don't doubt it. Or if not random, that they keep tweaking things around that may produce little things. It makes sense for a variety of reason. First, none of them are perfect. They ought to be testing new stuff. Second, it does make it a bit harder for some who want to reverse engineer.
AussieWebmaster
07-27-2005, 10:52 AM
It's funny... three years ago there were almost a set of algos that Google rotated and all you had to do was work out which one was in play and implement that version of your site....
then things changed and it was in a constant state of flux and getting everything pinned down was a lot tougher with the tweaks being done on the fly and the Google Dance having ended...
now it seems a cyclic aspect is reemerging... maybe we need to step back and start to test for versions again.... maybe the Dance has started again???
Obviously this is pure speculation... but..........................
hinote
07-30-2005, 04:26 AM
All of the Google servers now appear to be in sync.....
At least for my sires.
PhilC
07-30-2005, 04:31 PM
http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/050714-203723
PageRank Update is underway. Good luck all.
Why not name it Update Danny. :)
There's no reason at all not to call an update "Danny" except that it is traditional to name them alphabetically and we haven't had a "C" yet this year. So I propose that we name them after surnames and not Christian names. Since this one should be "C", one obvious candidate springs readily to mind - Craven. I assure you that it's pure coincidence that that just happens to be my name. I was shocked when I realised it :rolleyes:
Unfortunately, you missed your chance a couple of months ago, Mr. Brick ;)
Chris_D
07-31-2005, 09:42 PM
Hmmm.... then the next one would start with D - like my surname..... Dimmock
:)
PhilC
07-31-2005, 10:03 PM
That sounds reasonable - we'll pencil it in :D
AussieWebmaster
07-31-2005, 11:56 PM
LOL.... since my last name starts with a W I guess I am SOL if they start again each year!
PhilC
08-01-2005, 02:28 AM
It's Danny I feel sorry for - Sullivan! He'll never his name on an update either - but rules is rules and we can't flout them :rolleyes:
AussieWebmaster
08-01-2005, 10:48 AM
It's Danny I feel sorry for - Sullivan! He'll never his name on an update either - but rules is rules and we can't flout them :rolleyes:
Yeah okay Phil better dust that White Hat off for SES!!!
PhilC
08-01-2005, 12:35 PM
That would be an impossible task - it's far too soiled ;)
AussieWebmaster
08-01-2005, 03:42 PM
That would be an impossible task - it's far too soiled ;)
Then bring the black one as you know how women love bad boys!!!!
PhilC
08-01-2005, 06:21 PM
But they like bad dirty old men??? :D
Marcia
08-01-2005, 06:27 PM
Dirty old men need love, too (http://www.rustyzipper.com/shop.cfm/rz/viewpartnum~31553/backtorow~15/maxshow~19/startshow~1/SIZE~/ERA~ALL/TYPE~Iron-Ons%20-%20Tasteless%20Themes/SEARCH~/GENDER~ALL/PRICE~ALL/SITE~RUSTYZIPPER/31553.cfm)
PhilC
08-01-2005, 06:30 PM
That's one of my better pics. I don't let anyone see most of my pics. :D
AussieWebmaster
08-02-2005, 10:49 AM
This thread is fast disintergrating!
PhilC
08-02-2005, 11:22 AM
I strongly obect to the "ing" on the end of the root "disintegrat". Surely you mean "ed" ? :D