Penalised for dupe content by submitting articles

[metaphase]

I am building up a base of articles on my site, and have been looking to submit them to article bank sites around the internet, but am worried this would look like dupe content and penalise my site

Will this happen?

Thanks

[lots0]

Not likley, it is not going to be duplicate content, unless they are going to publish your entire EXACT page without any changes.

[AussieWebmaster]

I am building up a base of articles on my site, and have been looking to submit them to article bank sites around the internet, but am worried this would look like dupe content and penalise my site

Will this happen?

Thanks
If you want to avoid that, rewrite the article to leave a little of the details out and then have your link back as: For more on "SubjectX"...
but as stated above unless they are copying your entire page you should be safe, there are a lot of people who are doing this now - me being one - that have yet to pages impacted.

[St0n3y]

Not likley, it is not going to be duplicate content, unless they are going to publish your entire EXACT page without any changes.

I disagree. if your article is the primary content on each page (over 80% of all content) then you are probably within range of getting flagged. Search engines are primarily indexing and viewing content. Putting that same content up in multiple places, even if changing titles, descriptions, alts, etc reeks of duplicate content spamming. You *may* not be penalized but I would say its a risk.

There are some notable exceptions, one being news outlets and blogs, where duplicate content is the norm.

[lots0]

There are some notable exceptions
Exceptions to the rule.... there must not be a rule, if there are so many exceptions.

OK I'll play,
Can anyone provide an example of two or more pages with simular content where one or more page(s) has been banned or penalized for duplicate content? I'll even look at pages that are 99.9% the same.

Waiting to be shown the light.... ;)

[St0n3y]

Wasn't this pretty much commonplace with doorway pages not so long ago? I've seen sites penalized for using near-duplicate content doorway pages. Of course, these were all on the same domain and we are talking articles accross multipl domains. Notice in my post above "you are probably within range of getting flagged". I'm not saying doing that will absolutely result in penalization, but I don't think its too far out of reach for search engines to flag such a thing. And if not now, I'm certain they will.

[Jill Whalen]

Can anyone provide an example of two or more pages with simular content where one or more page(s) has been banned or penalized for duplicate content? I'll even look at pages that are 99.9% the same.

Waiting to be shown the light.... ;)

This is getting scary, Lotso...I'm with you, yet again! :D

[lots0]

This is getting scary, Lotso...I'm with you, yet again!
Oh no.... :eek:
>lots0 runs off to double check his research.... ;)

[DarkMatter]

Well I have examples that refute this theory rather than proving it.

I run a variety webzine that frequently reprints articles of interest (with permission of course).

If you check this search http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=codes+ciphers+codebreaking&btnG=Search

You'll see the original article in the #1 position, (it's called Codes, Ciphers and Codebreaking by Greg Goebel) and a reprint of the article on my zine in the #2 position (darkmattermag.com). Ojnly the first "chapter" has been reprinted, and though the original document has been updated since I ran the reprint, the portion which I used was not changed.

Another example: http://www.google.com/search?q=interview+with+sol&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

An Article by Robert Nemiroff called "An Interview with Sol"....the 1st hit is the original article, and yo can find the darkmattermag.com reprint in position 7.

Both of these contain the same text but are contained in original web pages (they are not duplicates of the original pages, the text is contained in a new html structure.)

[Marcia]

stony
I disagree. if your article is the primary content on each page (over 80% of all content) then you are probably within range of getting flagged. Search engines are primarily indexing and viewing content. Putting that same content up in multiple places, even if changing titles, descriptions, alts, etc reeks of duplicate content spamming. You *may* not be penalized but I would say its a risk.Even less than 80% and it depends on whether you're including the global navigation in the figuration, which it's easy enough for them to parse out.

There are some notable exceptions, one being news outlets and blogs, where duplicate content is the norm.Some news outlets and blogs. On some blogs what they do with the dups is simply index them URL only, which means they're ignoring the page for display in the index.

lots0
Can anyone provide an example of two or more pages with simular content where one or more page(s) has been banned or penalized for duplicate content? I'll even look at pages that are 99.9% the same. I could show a few, but I won't. I've had/got some - 99% dup on the same domain (an accidental upload with another filename, BTW), one of them is excluded from the index. When the right unique page is uploaded, then it's back in like normal. Which it is. In other cases, it can go URL only or go Supplemental Index - which I have seen for near/close dups.

Similar on different domains, they get flung so far out you can't find them to see what they did without a spacecraft. Unique text, too; there's more they can look at than just page text.

[St0n3y]

Good post DarkMatter. Looking at the your first example, the content is significantly different, in that, as you mentioned, your phage only has the first chapter, not the whole article word for word. But your second second example is an exact reprinting.

I don't necessarily believe this proves me wrong. I can still show examples of top ranked doorway pages, which we all know the search engines hate and consider spam and whatnot. This does not mean that all doorway pages are OK and we should all go back to that format.

For the sake of argument, lets say I am wrong and that search engines are incapable of penalizing for or simply don't care about duplicate content being posted from one site to another. I would still hold the position that this would not be a good practice simply because we don't know how long until search engines do start observing, noting and penalizing for such duplications. Maybe that's another discussion altogether, but I subscribe to the theory that if it CAN be considered spam, it likely WILL BE, its just a matter of time.

Those who go out and get the same article posted in multiple places may wake up to find a new algorithm that takes this into consideration. At the very least, pages with duplicate articles will be dumped from the database. But if search engines are not your primary concern and just getting recognition for the writing and click-thru traffic, then it could very well be a good strategy.

[lots0]

St0n3y;
I am not saying that using duplicates is a good thing to do.
A question was asked and I answered the best I could.
I never once gave any judgment or opinion if using “near duplicate” content had any risk factors or not, that was not the question.

Marcia,
I know you are an advocate that “near duplicate” pages can get you penalized. But everything I have seen shows me the just opposite.

I have tested this myself, many times, it is easy to do, just use two pages you don’t care about and keywords that return no results. Wait till the one page ranks for the keyword, then upload the “near duplicate” page and try to get a “near duplicate” penalty, wait and see what happens... (try linking to
both pages from the same page, with the same anchor text, just to make sure gbot finds them both...)

Now I do gotta get some work done....

[St0n3y]

I am not saying that using duplicates is a good thing to do.
A question was asked and I answered the best I could. I never once gave any judgment or opinion if using “near duplicate” content had any risk factors or not, that was not the question.

yeah, you're right, didn't mean to imply otherwise.

[metaphase]

Are we right in assuming that articles written in our wordpress powered blog (and so indexed/syndicated by various feed directories etc) are safe to submit to other non-blog article directories?

Or will this dilute our own blog pages which currently unique content, but soon may not have?

what would other people do from an seo point of view?

thanks