Google and Internal linking

[SEORoy]

Hi,

Am just going thru my site ... still trying to see what can be done to

1. convince Google that the site is a relevant site when it comes to Keywords am competing for...(As currently even though we are in TOP 5 for some keyword on MSN and Yahoo... we are nowhere to be seen in Google)

2. Trying to achieve a higher PR

I have gone thru my site...and I have noticed that there are lots of pages that have a PR 0 and couple of them PR 2... My home page has a PR 4.... and all pages have a link back to Home page.

I was just wondering if all pages except home page of my site has a PR less than 2... Does this play any role in keeping my homepage at PR 4, i mean preventing the home page from achieving a higher PR.

If yes, then what can be done resolve this situation..

[kunalg]

HI buddy

as you r asking about google. google gives much weightage to the page rank as compared to other search engine. yeah ur internal pages also contribute to the home page pr because pr decreases as we move down to the home page and vice versa. U can improve ur page ranking by getting back links from some good pr sites.

[SEORoy]

I am still a bit confused about this....

I guess I need to try get my "other" pages on the website on higher PR so that when they are linking back to my Homepage...this can hopefully contribute in getting my homepage a higher PR...

However for most of the backlinks that the site has got..are backlinks to the Homepage.. Should I be having backlinks to every page on my site..?.....

If yes...this is almost impossible.. will take too much time... and all this, even if done, does not guarantee that it gets noticed or taken into consideration by Google... And also... we cant be spending 90% of our time trying to work on possible things that can be done to get Google to notice us.. and then not much time to see how our competitors are doing in Yahoo and MSN where we are well ranked (TOP 5 in both)

Sometimes it gets a bit too much with Google..I mean lots of effort doing research..etc... but still no idea what to do ...I.e if Yahoo and MSN thinks we are relevant enough to Rank us in TOP 5 for some keyword... and in Google we are nowhere to be found... WHAT DOES THAT MEAN>..... HAS YAHOO AND MSN got a problem OR IS IT GOOGLE WHO'S MISSING SOMETHING.....

[PhilC]

PageRank is entirely about the links between pages. The reason that the home page has the highest PR in many sites is because, like yours, most of the other pages link to it.

If you want to increase the PageRank in the site, get links from other sites - they will pass it to your site. You can arrange which pages in your site have the most PageRank by organising the links within the site.

There's a nice PageRank calculator that you can play with to figure out how to link the pages in a way that suits you best. Search for 'pagerank calculator' on Google - it's at #1.

PageRank is one ranking factor among many, and, generally speaking, the best thing is to concentrate on is ranking well, rather than on PageRank. The best way rank well is with IBLs with targeted link text. If you do that, the PageRank will follow.

[kunalg]

i think if u want to improve ur page rank then try build ur site according to theme based search engine because news are that google also theme based search engine. if u build ur site according to theme based search engine i am sure u get a boost in ranking.u can know more about search engine

http://www.searchengineworld.com/links/theme_engines.htm

or try searching on net for theme based search engine or theme pyramid structure for theme based search engine

[Marcia]

we cant be spending 90% of our time trying to work on possible things that can be done to get Google to notice us.. and then not much time to see how our competitors are doing in Yahoo and MSN where we are well ranked (TOP 5 in both) I think it's called not putting all your eggs in one basket. :)

Realistically speaking, if the site is doing fine at Yahoo and MSN you can't just go in and change your site architecture, and neither could you tamper with the internal navigation too much, without looking into how much weight is being carried for the links on your pages to your other pages.

Make sure all your pages can be reached for crawling, maybe get a good site map (or two) added, and then - "what PhilC said."

I so do always admire modesty, but here's the page rank calculator (http://www.webworkshop.net/pagerank_calculator.php3)

get links from other sites - they will pass it to your site. You can arrange which pages in your site have the most PageRank by organising the links within the site.And there's no rule that says you have to link only from within the site navigation. If there are some pages that are more important than others, give them a boost by linking from within relevant page text on other related and/or important pages on the site.

If yes, then what can be done resolve this situation..Sounds like it's on the low end of PR4. Getting some nice PR5 links or better would be a good step.

[AussieWebmaster]

I think you are misspending your time worrying about the page's PR. What you need to concentrate on is the position your page has for your keywords.
Develop a solid link plan - both internally on your site and through quality in bound links using solid anchor text.
There are many sites sitting at number one with lower PR than the other 9 sites in the top 10. Work the real relevant factors not get sidetracked by the pretty green bars in the Google toolbar.

[SEORoy]

Well thanks again for all these suggestions ...

Was just me being a bit fed up with this..

But I do realise that it will take a lot of effort to get a higher position for our pages on Google.. As Marcia rightly said..if its doing well on MSN and Yahoo... I cant just go and do changes just to see if it has any effect on Google.. Thats one of my main worries... I dont want to endup losing my ranking on MSN and Yahoo..

Well at least....two of the sites are now appearing in TOP 5 for google for our company name... couple of months ago for our company name..my PR 4 site was in TOP 15...now it seems to be in TOP 5...in couple of datacentres..So I take it there's some Google update going on ...

However cant expect users to be searching for the company name in Google.. they may as well type the address directly in address bar... :)

Work the real relevant factors not get sidetracked .....
True... right now..I cant see how sites ranking in TOP 10 for keywords we are competing for...have more relevant data than ours... Give you a simple example.. We provide service on a worldwide scale.. the other day I tried doing a search on Google for a Keyword.. came across a site which was offering the same sort of service but only in Cyprus...

So I was a bit shocked :eek: ... how can this be more relevant than our website... I mean..for example..say you are looking for cheap travel packages/tours for your next holiday..... you expect google to return cheap travel packages but not necessarily to only one destination... in these cases...websites offering cheap packages to several destinations should be considered more relevant...isn't it...???

These are things that I have figured out from couple of posts in this forum..and thanks to you all...

1. Check linking within site and from external sites
2. Sitemap (s) important ...
3. Distribute anchor text over keywords, i.e using of same keyword for all anchor text (i.e links to one's site) ... is a big NO NO....
4. ONPAGE optimisation though important.. is not playing big role right now.. on Google .... THE thing that works right now..is Linking... (Though this is something which I have found out for myself.. especially when did a search for "Click here" on Google.
5. More importantly...when it comes to optimisation for Google... always keep your fingers crossed.

Does this look right to you.

I really appreciate all your comments on this ... You have indeed got me thinking , thanks for the Pagerank calculator ..Phil... I am off to check it now...

[AussieWebmaster]

Well thanks again for all these suggestions ...

Was just me being a bit fed up with this..

But I do realise that it will take a lot of effort to get a higher position for our pages on Google.. As Marcia rightly said..if its doing well on MSN and Yahoo... I cant just go and do changes just to see if it has any effect on Google.. Thats one of my main worries... I dont want to endup losing my ranking on MSN and Yahoo..

Well at least....two of the sites are now appearing in TOP 5 for google for our company name... couple of months ago for our company name..my PR 4 site was in TOP 15...now it seems to be in TOP 5...in couple of datacentres..So I take it there's some Google update going on ...

However cant expect users to be searching for the company name in Google.. they may as well type the address directly in address bar... :)


True... right now..I cant see how sites ranking in TOP 10 for keywords we are competing for...have more relevant data than ours... Give you a simple example.. We provide service on a worldwide scale.. the other day I tried doing a search on Google for a Keyword.. came across a site which was offering the same sort of service but only in Cyprus...

So I was a bit shocked :eek: ... how can this be more relevant than our website... I mean..for example..say you are looking for cheap travel packages/tours for your next holiday..... you expect google to return cheap travel packages but not necessarily to only one destination... in these cases...websites offering cheap packages to several destinations should be considered more relevant...isn't it...???

These are things that I have figured out from couple of posts in this forum..and thanks to you all...

1. Check linking within site and from external sites
2. Sitemap (s) important ...
3. Distribute anchor text over keywords, i.e using of same keyword for all anchor text (i.e links to one's site) ... is a big NO NO....
4. ONPAGE optimisation though important.. is not playing big role right now.. on Google .... THE thing that works right now..is Linking... (Though this is something which I have found out for myself.. especially when did a search for "Click here" on Google.
5. More importantly...when it comes to optimisation for Google... always keep your fingers crossed.

Does this look right to you.

I really appreciate all your comments on this ... You have indeed got me thinking , thanks for the Pagerank calculator ..Phil... I am off to check it now...
You have it... now go and work on it. Good luck and let us know how it turns out in a couple of months.. or sooner!!!