url submission

[tomchu]

I was wondering does anyone know any search engine submission product spider our site automatically and submit the URL ?

Or Any product that I can import Url to the software?

Thanks
Tom
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[seobook]

get links...and search engines will follow them.

submission software = waste of time and money.

[trellian]

get links...and search engines will follow them.

seobook, what about engines and directories that do not have crawlers or effective crawlers? As a website marketer the aim is generate as much search engine traffic as you can as long as your time and resources spent in doing so still remain at +ROI

So the Correct reply to tomchu post is:

Here is a list of the main automated submission tools:

addweb (http://www.addweb.com)
dynamicsubmission (http://www.dynamicsubmission.com)
SEO Toolkit (http://www.trellian.com/seotoolkit/)
SubmitWolf (http://www.trellian.com/swolf/)
webposition (http://www.webposition.com/)


BTW we develop SubmitWolf and SEO Toolkit

Cheers
David

[seobook]

what about engines and directories that do not have crawlers or effective crawlers?
let me break that in two

>what about engines that do not have crawlers or effective crawlers?

they have limited reach and are probably not worth any time or effort.

>what about directories that do not have crawlers or effective crawlers?

-automated submissions waste their time and may make them resent your website.
-if they do list a bunch of automatted submissions their directories will become a spam noise cest pool which has little practical value and minimal exposure

I stand by my Correct reply

[AussieWebmaster]

The positive nature of that ROI is slim but would agree still a positive right now... but with each new algo change the chance a negative impact can occurr is always a possibility...


You can get positve ROI from SPAM... that is if you are not prosecuted for it or get too much negative branding....

Some times the lines get thin and the time and money spent may be better put somewhere else... but to each there own.

[Chris_D]

Google have recently launced their sitemaps 'discovery' tool

http://www.google.com/webmasters/sitemaps/docs/en/about.html

You can submit all your page in one XML listing.

[AussieWebmaster]

The sitemap generator ( http://www.google.com/webmasters/sitemaps/docs/en/sitemap-generator.html )is a great help too.

[trellian]

I stand by my Correct reply

Well yes each to their own, however if user asks for a list of particular tools, then the correct answer is to provide a list of such tools...

regardless of what your personal opinion is.. and if you do have an opinion then you should in your reply state: "here is the list of tools, but in my opinion they are not worth using because .... etc...

Now that would be the most correct way of replying.


Now re: they have limited reach and are probably not worth any time or effort.

That is why an automated submission that takes 5 mins is not much time nor a great deal of effort. Hence in my opinion worth doing.

So what is your definition of "limited reach"? That is what is big enough before you would consider spending that 5 minutes of your time to make a submission of your site to be indexed?

Cheers
David

[seobook]

"here is the list of tools, but in my opinion they are not worth using because .... etc...
as a person who wasted months looking for penny clicks or trying to get the most out of the smallest engines (and was in my own opinion generally a complete failure any way you slice it while doing so) I think it is worth noting that $5 here and $10 there and 5 minutes here and a half hour there add up.

if what you are doing is not good enough to be competitive in the big engines then you probably want to change what you are doing.
That is why an automated submission that takes 5 mins is not much time nor a great deal of effort. Hence in my opinion worth doing.

So what is your definition of "limited reach"? That is what is big enough before you would consider spending that 5 minutes of your time to make a submission of your site to be indexed?
and then keyword density analysis only takes 10 minutes
and rewriting a page to fit the math takes another 15
and then having copy that reads bad costs more than something measured in minutes.

lots of the tools that help you out for a cheap quick cost misfocus your energies and cost you far more than they save.

also many of the submission services open you up to email spam, and if you are new to the web you may fall for additional scams, or may not have realized why your email address is getting spammed to death.

importing over your contact list to a new address or filtering all that email spam certainly costs more than 5 minutes.

sure there may be many submission services, but if you are so new that you don't know where to find them odds are using them is going to cost you much much much more than $5 and 5 minutes of your time.

one of my friends told me another one of his friends makes in excess of 6 figures a year by having a fake search site and selling garbage to emails people submitted for their free submissions.

after using all the mentioned free submission tools I can just about guarantee that your email inbox will get more additional new hits than your website will, but hey it's only 5 minutes right...

[trellian]

as a person who wasted months looking for penny clicks or trying to get the most out of the smallest engines

That is exactly the point of these tools, to not waste your time. As spending much more than that on the smaller engines would then not remain at +ROI.

Maybe we crossed wires, as we are talking about tools, not free site submission services, who cause more problems and harm than good, especially for new users.

These days with automated tool, email spam is not an issue, well at least not in our tools, as we clearly identify which engines spam and which ones do not... those that do, we report the severity of spam to boot... So novice users do not fall down this trap.

ALSO once you have a well optimized site that does perform well on the top engines as per:
if what you are doing is not good enough to be competitive in the big engines then you probably want to change what you are doing.

in most cases, the same sites perform well on other smaller and medium search engines. So no additional SEO work needed.

So Aaron, time to close this thread as we are going around in circles making this a bigger issue than it really is. We both have different opinions and lets leave it at that.

Cheers
David

[jikpeter]

Our company site was recently revamped, but we've had the same URL for years. The main search engines pick it up and I'm working on the rankings, but is there any harm in submitting the URL to those engines, smaller engines and directories if it may already be on their radar? Will I get blacklisted or is it a waste of time?

thanks,
JP

[trellian]

If your site is already indexed, no need to re-submit.

Even if you do submit, you will not be black listed, as long as you do not re-submit on a frequent basis or repetitively. A rule of thumb, do not submit more than once per month, and only if you have not been indexed.

For engines that you are not indexed in, then these are the ones you would submit to.

Cheers
David

[Chris_D]

Hi jikpeter

Welcome to the SEW forums!

As David said - submission shouldn't be an issue (provided the site itself is still 'spiderable' after the revamp - i.e. no flash or javascripted drop down menus for site navigation etc - Turn off plugins and javascripting and check that the links still work)

Google says:

Fiction: A website will be removed from Google's index if it's "over-submitted."
Fact: We don't require submission nor do we penalize sites for "over-submission." You're free to submit as often as you wish. However, given the nature of our inclusion process, your time is better spent improving the content and links of your site.
http://www.google.com.au/webmasters/facts.html

[jikpeter]

Many thanks for your help. I'm sure I'll be back with questions pretty often!

jp

[AussieWebmaster]

Many thanks for your help. I'm sure I'll be back with questions pretty often!

jp

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