AnneTally
12-08-2004, 06:20 PM
Moderator Note: Split off from thread as separate topic.
Testing Hijacking a Site (http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=3030)
From Google's Fact & Fiction (http://www.google.com/webmasters/facts.html) page:
The Nigitrude Ultramarine SEO contest that SearchGuild promoted, proved in public, beyond any doubt, that anyone can harm your site in google, if they know how. In fact there are several ways (not just one) to accomplish this.
Just because something is written on a google page does NOT make it a fact.
I am sure that another public demonstration of this google “glitch”could be arranged, if people really wanted to see it. But to be honest, the fewer people that know how this is acomplished the better.
If google were to admit that their algo is flawed and just about any page can be hijacked or removed from their index by ANYONE, that knows how, I think would the end of google as the dominate SE, so they keep their mouth shut and keep hoping that they can fix these problems before they do become common knowledge...
IDENTITY THEFT- Our identity was stolen for our business site and a competitive hacker put the user disallow text into the root server. It was only there for a week until we totally disappeared from the Google search. Almost every other search engine listed us as #1 and we were also # 1 with Google for years. We have been writing Google for three months and we have gotten no help at all! They said that it would take 3 months to spider the site again even though we immediately resubmitted. How can they possibly be that big and be that slow! Three months is an eternity on the internet, but now 3 months are up and it still says that our site does not exist when you key the URL into the Google browser. Even in the case of fraud , hijacking and identity theft they do not care!!!. We have almost three pages of back links (directories and news articles) linking to our site and that is what comes up when we key in the company name without the URL. Google clearly is not providing accurate information as a search engine if their right hand does not know what their left hand is doing. We need internet identity theft regulation or the hackers will continue!
The problem is that Google does not have a fraud department therefore they don't believe that the problem exists. Beside the hijacking issue all a competitor needs to do is to steal the identity of a companies webmaster get the codes and they are in. They put the robot user disallow into the root server and you are finished. Google offers no solutions and resubmitting does nothing. We have waited 3 months and Google still has not spidered our site. Google should not be a search if they can not offer solutions to help those who are defrauded. They could look at the cache of what was there prior to the hack and manually resubmit to where it was! However they don't do manual resubmission. We need to take action the same way that those who have had identity theft do!
I really wish that several of the techie wizards out there would get involved in this thread because it appears that that there are a number of ways that a hacker can take down your site. In our case I believe that the stolen identity gave the hacker direct access to put the user disallow text into the root server. But it didn't end there. When the access was sealed it appears that they hijacked the site and possibly spent the night spamming because something new happened. We were still #1 on almost every engine, but for a few weeks our site title said no index and the site description was blank. We cleared this up very quickly, however Google is still showing that we do not exist.
My issue with Google is that they provide a service to other engines and claim to be the top in their field. At the same time the general consensus is that they are the s-l-o-w-e-s-t and least accurate of all major search engines. They have a moral and B2B and B2C obligation to live up to their claims and not blame their bots for everything. They own their bots and need to be accountable for what they do. There is a huge amount of fraud on the internet and there needs to be a department to handle it and expedite claims.
Anyone who can help us get our site indexed on Google after a hack that happened 3 months ago PLEASE HELP!
We would be grateful for any help!
Anne :confused:
Testing Hijacking a Site (http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=3030)
From Google's Fact & Fiction (http://www.google.com/webmasters/facts.html) page:
The Nigitrude Ultramarine SEO contest that SearchGuild promoted, proved in public, beyond any doubt, that anyone can harm your site in google, if they know how. In fact there are several ways (not just one) to accomplish this.
Just because something is written on a google page does NOT make it a fact.
I am sure that another public demonstration of this google “glitch”could be arranged, if people really wanted to see it. But to be honest, the fewer people that know how this is acomplished the better.
If google were to admit that their algo is flawed and just about any page can be hijacked or removed from their index by ANYONE, that knows how, I think would the end of google as the dominate SE, so they keep their mouth shut and keep hoping that they can fix these problems before they do become common knowledge...
IDENTITY THEFT- Our identity was stolen for our business site and a competitive hacker put the user disallow text into the root server. It was only there for a week until we totally disappeared from the Google search. Almost every other search engine listed us as #1 and we were also # 1 with Google for years. We have been writing Google for three months and we have gotten no help at all! They said that it would take 3 months to spider the site again even though we immediately resubmitted. How can they possibly be that big and be that slow! Three months is an eternity on the internet, but now 3 months are up and it still says that our site does not exist when you key the URL into the Google browser. Even in the case of fraud , hijacking and identity theft they do not care!!!. We have almost three pages of back links (directories and news articles) linking to our site and that is what comes up when we key in the company name without the URL. Google clearly is not providing accurate information as a search engine if their right hand does not know what their left hand is doing. We need internet identity theft regulation or the hackers will continue!
The problem is that Google does not have a fraud department therefore they don't believe that the problem exists. Beside the hijacking issue all a competitor needs to do is to steal the identity of a companies webmaster get the codes and they are in. They put the robot user disallow into the root server and you are finished. Google offers no solutions and resubmitting does nothing. We have waited 3 months and Google still has not spidered our site. Google should not be a search if they can not offer solutions to help those who are defrauded. They could look at the cache of what was there prior to the hack and manually resubmit to where it was! However they don't do manual resubmission. We need to take action the same way that those who have had identity theft do!
I really wish that several of the techie wizards out there would get involved in this thread because it appears that that there are a number of ways that a hacker can take down your site. In our case I believe that the stolen identity gave the hacker direct access to put the user disallow text into the root server. But it didn't end there. When the access was sealed it appears that they hijacked the site and possibly spent the night spamming because something new happened. We were still #1 on almost every engine, but for a few weeks our site title said no index and the site description was blank. We cleared this up very quickly, however Google is still showing that we do not exist.
My issue with Google is that they provide a service to other engines and claim to be the top in their field. At the same time the general consensus is that they are the s-l-o-w-e-s-t and least accurate of all major search engines. They have a moral and B2B and B2C obligation to live up to their claims and not blame their bots for everything. They own their bots and need to be accountable for what they do. There is a huge amount of fraud on the internet and there needs to be a department to handle it and expedite claims.
Anyone who can help us get our site indexed on Google after a hack that happened 3 months ago PLEASE HELP!
We would be grateful for any help!
Anne :confused: