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newsguy
11-23-2004, 08:25 PM
I had an experience recently that taught me not to be afraid of making deals for services on the internet. I thought others would benefit from it and so wanted to share it here.

When I first created my AdSense products I did not have an affiliate program. But I received numerous requests from visitors asking how they could resell the product for me, and because of their inquiries I setup an affiliate program. Six months and thousands and thousands of dollars later, I'm very glad I listened!

Now, a few weeks ago I went looking for a professional copywriter to rework my sales copy and increase my conversion rate. I knew there was much that could be done, and I knew I wasn't succeeding at doing it, so I thought I'd bring in a professional.

What I did not realize at the time was how expensive a professional sales copywriter is! The ones I found with samples I liked charged thousands per sales letter--and I needed three.

Before learning that webmasters and internet professionals are sometimes willing to swing deals, I would have walked away and sighed and figured that I'd just have to learn how to do it myself. But I had learned a thing or two from the fact that I listened to my visitors--maybe one of the copywriters I emailed would listen to me.

In fact, one of the writers I contacted called me to talk about the site. When I told him that I was not prepared to pay thousands up front but would be willing to make a deal with him--he said "thanks, but no thanks". He did, however, pass me on to another copywriter who does just that.

And he did! For a few hundred up front I was able to setup a deal where he would rewrite all of the sales copy, tweak it to improve performance over time and write autoresponder-based lessons to help further sales. The new sales copy will go into effect Dec 1, and based on his samples I am confident that my sales will get a real boost.

So the short of it is this: don't give up because the website has a pricetag on it that you can't pay. Try and work a deal--sometimes people like me and my hired copywriter are willing to comply!

mcanerin
11-23-2004, 11:42 PM
That's a great experience newsguy!

When I was just starting out I made a deal with a local promotional wares company that was basically "I promote you, you promote me". I got some great polo shirts, jackets, and other swag with my logo on it in exchange for some basic optimization.

Working for "contra" is a time-honored and very efficient way to save some money and make some great contacts and referrals. I'll bet I know what copywriter you would recommend to me if I asked ;)

Recently, I decided it was time to get laser eye surgery. I can't handle the idea of poking my eyes while putting in contacts, so I wear glasses. Yet apparently i have no problem with someone frying parts of my eyeball with a powerful laser. Go figure...

I did a quick search and discovered that a couple very well regarded laser eye clinics in my area don't show up on searches. Well, you can't show a professional SEO that without them starting to think about stuff. I'm working on getting laser eye surgery for myself and my wife (+plus costs) in exchange for optimizing their site. Looks like they are interested.

One word of warning to readers, though. Newsguy and I have shared some good experiences, but there are a bunch of bad experiences out there, too. I've been burned 3 times over things like this, so be very, very careful.

Sometimes someone looking for a "deal" does not appreciate the value of what they are trying to get a deal on (that's why they want a deal). These people will not follow through, or will want more and more while offering less and less.

Be very careful who you make these deals with, preferably with references or something in writing. You can get burned very easily, and it's hard to "take back" SEO.

Ian

rustybrick
11-24-2004, 10:00 AM
I am normally the first to say, "no, sorry we do not do that". I did plenty of "deals" back in 1999 with the boom. I have a lot of equity in companies that are worth next to nothing. :) In addition, a bartering type of transaction is something I also normally shy away from. I figure it is just best to pay company A for their services and then they pay you for your services. I also think there are tax liabilities with all barters. So it is just easier to swap cash in most deals.

I see your points but these days, I tend to shy away from all "deals".

rustybrick
11-24-2004, 11:49 AM
Moderation Note: I split off the discussion about who is NewsBot in a thread named NewsGuy Threads - Bot? (http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=2953), in the padded room.