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10-21-2004, 04:59 PM
Please I need help:
I would like to optimize 2 keywords in a single page: Lets take an example:
Section Name: Love and Dating
This is a representation of my section and I would like to have good rankings in both words.
I should repeat Love and Dating as one keyword Phrase trough my content, or:
a) Treat both words as a single word (one separate that the other), or
b) Point "a" plus use a combination (Love and Dating)
thank you for your comments
10-21-2004, 05:56 PM
the problem you face IMO is the "and" part. Since Google will ignore this, it becomes difficult to use "love" and "dating" right next to each other often. Sure "Love dating?" or "Do you love dating two people every night?" could work but these will limit you a little. How do you text-link to those two terms together? I think that it would be very difficult to target these two particular terms individually, with "love" dwarfing the very competitive "dating" 116,000,000 results to 38,000,000 in Google, so you would have to come up with a combo in this case, based on keyword research.
We targeted the term "oriental rugs" and ended up doing well for "rugs" alone as a bonus. This was not typical, however, and has a lot to do with other factors that would be discussed in another thread.
I love what I call "super keywords." A good example is "Dallas day spa package." This counts as a few keywords that would show up:
Dallas day spa
Dallas spa package
Dallas day spa package
day spa in Dallas
spa package dallas
The more "super keywords" that you can come up with to use in SEO, the better off you will be, I think.
10-21-2004, 06:32 PM
Chris thank you for you time and effort.
My target is another language so I have opportunity for "Love" and "Amigos"
I think , I am just going to put love stories using my keyword "Amor" and in the other hand, I am going to put stories about "how can you make friends"
That sounds good to you ?
10-22-2004, 06:30 AM
Also, maybe do some keyword analysis in whatever SEO app/web site you use, many sites have one, I use an app myself.
With the keyword analyzers you could plug in the words "love" and "dating" and see what the most search terms are containing those words and you may find some great keywords/phrases that people actually use that you never thought of.
Also, considering the nature of your words, you may have to weed through some...uuuuu, off-color results... :rolleyes:
10-22-2004, 07:33 AM
DBMaster hit the nail on the head. With keywords live "amor " y "amigos," you will still need some good analysis to figure out what your best target phrases will be. Take a look around for some software to work for you in this case. We always swear by Wordtracker (used for about 60% weight of our final kw decisions) and their are other good programs out there to help you.
I must emphasize that you will have a very hard time succeeding with very broad kw's such as the ones you seem to want. It can be done, but would require a budget of epic (by our standards) proportion due to the SEO/linking hours required.
Good luck and keep us informed!
10-22-2004, 07:40 AM
I dunno what your rules are here regarding mentioning of any products or anything, but the app I live by is WebCEO. It has a free version, the rankings analyzer is awesome, optimization analysis is good, keyword searching is quite helpful. It's just been an all around good and helpful app for me over the last year or so since I found it.
I have found keyword analysis to be quite interesting. The wacky things people search with sometimes, it's quite entertaining ;) and educational too, it's really helped me.
10-22-2004, 10:13 AM
I got all the tools, Wordtracker, Web Position Gold 3, Arelis, etc. I already made the analysis, my situation here was:
I would like to have good rankings on both words, so my question was if I treat every word as a single one or together.
10-22-2004, 11:56 AM
Those two don't really make up a phrase used together, at least not without the "and". And people would more likely search on phrases including each of the words, with other words included as well. To optimize for words like that you can't really think "one page" you have to think in terms of pages - plural - a lot of them.
10-22-2004, 12:27 PM
In reference to the original post; i.e. placing phrases in pages, consider this.
1. use delimiters for terms that normally are not natural language phrases.
2. what is a sequence of terms for a parsers is what matters, not necessarily if the sequence looks like a phrase.
End one sentence with k1 and start the next one with k2. Google and other search engines return documents containing these sequences when users search for phrases. Of course, you must stick to copy style. The same can be said about terms separated by specific delimiters. The optimization strategy consists in determining which engines ignore which delimiters.
10-25-2004, 09:40 AM
Orion makes a sound suggestion splitting the keywords. That should work in this case.
To re-answer your re-emphasis of your question: good luck with targeting either of those keywords alone without a huge budget. As Marcia agreed with me in her post, it's going to be hard to do them together with an "and" since it is ignored...
get ready to spend lots of time...good luck!
10-25-2004, 10:21 AM
Thank you all