Is the order of the same keywords so important in searches?

[neoseo]

For expample, webs about the car hire business: at www.google.es, if you search (in spanish) alicante alquiler coches, you get in the first position a .net domain called centauro. But if you just change the order of the same keywords, and search alquiler coches
alicante, not any url for this domain is listed in the 996 results showed, ¿does this makes any sense?, ¿could it be some kind of penalization?. Thanks for your help.

[JohnW]

"keywords" should be thought of as the entire phrase. If you change the order of the words in the phrase then it becomes a different keyword. So of course things will be different. This doesn't rule out a penalty but it may help explain things.

[neoseo]

Ok JohnW, thanks, you are right about the phrase consideration. But the point is that I can't find the phrase alicante alquiler coches for that domain, nor in the content, neither in inbound links, but it's the 1st result for that phrase!. This takes me to asume that this domain should be unless in the 1,000 first results for a similar phrase like alquiler coches alicante.
Hope I've explained...

[JohnW]

are you logged into a google account?

also:
>neither in inbound links

how do you know this, where did you check this

what is your allinanchor rank for this term?

[neoseo]

No, I'm not logged, I've deleted all cookies, etc.
The phrase alicante alquiler coches has a "wrong" order in spanish, the logical order is alquiler coches alicante.
The position for that domain used to be around 5th position.
Right now, allinanchor: alquiler coches alicante, doesn't show any result for that domain; meanwhile allinanchor: alicante alquiler coches, returns a 1st position for the domain.

[JohnW]

No guarantee that I can see the same results from USA but I ran allinanchor:alicante alquiler coches using google.es

The #1 result has the following title. Is this your site?

<title>Alquiler Coches Alicante - Alquiler Coches Aeropuerto Alicante - Alquiler de Coches en España</title>

If so, there’s your answer

[jag]

Actually, combination of most searched words are keywords, and it depends on industries and content, for eg: at earlier stage you may get listed for order of keywords like "website design" so on for <title>Web design, Application development, ...</title>, when your sites gets populated, you can also see results for some search keywords like "Design website" and "Web application development" so on, where you don’t focus those keywords, again you might have used words (Web application development) in your content, may be without your knowledge so it gets cached, you can confirm this through a web stat "keyword search" section

Follow the most combination of keywords, with right mix and meaningful content and correct keyword density, and work on quality Backlinks with out Spam, you can rule your competitor :)

Best,
Jag

[JohnW]

>for eg: at earlier stage you may get listed for order of keywords

jag that's exactly right and in early stage its also easier to rank for obscure term. Also easier to rank for obscure term in post-penalty stage ;-)

My guess is that one big reason the page can rank for this phrase is because “Alicante Alquiler Coches” is an exact phrase match in the title tag and like he said this is an illogical usage and produces an obscure phrase.

>¿could it be some kind of penalization?

I’d say that’s a good possibility, look at where some problems might be like your links.

Or site problems like this www. centauro.net/indexe.html

[rainborick]

Traditionally, Google prioritized its rankings based on a left-to-right weighting of the keywords as entered by the user. That is, if the user entered "shiny red widgets", Google would give the most weight for relevance to the word "shiny", then "red", and finally "widgets". I haven't tried to really analyze what they do now, and I would hope that there's more semantic analysis or other processes that would give more weight to nouns than to adjectives, but that's the way it worked until very recently. The book "Google Hacks" by Tara Calishain explains this very well.

[neoseo]

look at where some problems might be like your links.
Can you explain it a little bit?

Or site problems like this www. centauro.net/indexe.html
What's the problem with that url?

[JohnW]

centauro.net/indexe.html
is one of several duplicate copies of
centauro.net/index.html
there are at least 6 versions of the home page when you factor in the www vs. non-www versions.

Not cool.

Links: I was referring to rented links

[neoseo]

But it's not duplicate content: centauro.net/indexe.html (in spanish) is different from centauro.net/index.html (in english).
Which 6 versions of the home page?.
Can you explain what you mean when you say "you factor in the www vs. non-www versions". Should be considered duplicate content a www version vs. a non-www version of the same page?.
Thanks JohnW.

[JohnW]

Good, I see they are not the same. But there are still a lot of duplication issues with the home page:

centauro.net/default.aspx
www. centauro.net/default.aspx
centauro.net/Default.aspx
www. centauro.net/Default.aspx
centauro.net/index.html
www. centauro.net/index.html
centauro.net/
www. centauro.net

It is possible for Google, Yahoo etc. to index all of these variants as they are all different pages. But while this is an important area to address, I think your biggest problem is links.

[neoseo]

Ok, thanks JohnW, working on www vs non-www versions.
But when you say "Links: I was referring to rented links", where do you see that?, the web doesnt't have rented links at all.
Many thanks for your time.

[JohnW]

Just based on a quick look it appears that quite a few of your links might look like "paid links" to G. For example, many appear to me to be paid dofollow advertising links, based on your general BL profile, anchors, placement and usage on the linking pages, etc.

[neoseo]

Very interesting, could you please post some "suspicious paid links" to your eyes?

[JohnW]

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=link%3Ahttp%3A//www.centauro.net/+-site%3Acentauro.net

4 of the first 8 I looked at seem to be paid links to me.

www. spanishfullmonty.com/
www. hotellevanteclub.com/
www. infocostablanca.com/uk/entrance.htm
www. spain4rent.eu/

[neoseo]

But they are not paid links !!!, how can I "prove" to G. they aren't?. Any other possibility to be removed from the serps?

[JohnW]

Certainly there are other possibilities. But if these are not paid links then how did they happen? Do all of these webmasters just like you so much that they give you free advertising?

[neoseo]

For example, for the domains:
www. spanishfullmonty.com
www. infocostablanca.com
www. spain4rent.eu
www. benidormholiday.com
the links to us have been there since one year ago or more as you can see in archive org: why now the "problem"?. There must be another/s reason/s, any ideas?

[JohnW]

Yeah but the difference is that Google is getting better at spotting it. Stuff that used to slide under the radar is getting busted these days.