What Does allinanchor Really Show?

[critter]

Hey All..

I keep seeing the allinanchor:keyword, and I have used before, but what does this really show when inputted into Google?

Cheers

CRITTER

[rustybrick]

It shows you who has the most links with the keyword text as requested after the allinanchor: query.

I.e. allinanchor:search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&q=allinanchor%3Asearch&btnG=Search) shows who has the most links with the keyword "search".

[critter]

It shows you who has the most links with the keyword text as requested after the allinanchor: query.

I.e. allinanchor:search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&q=allinanchor%3Asearch&btnG=Search) shows who has the most links with the keyword "search".I thought the same too Rusty, but then when I look at a website which I just launched, maybe one week ago, it appears #7, yet has ZERO links with the keyword text...

How's this possible?

Cheers

Critter

[rustybrick]

Can you show us an example or PM me?

[critter]

Ill PM you Rusty...

Better that way!

Thanks

Critter

[Nick W]

I thought the same too Rusty, but then when I look at a website which I just launched, maybe one week ago, it appears #7, yet has ZERO links with the keyword text..

Am i missing somthing? - this is pretty normal for a brand new site.... backlinks dont normally show till a backlink update, allinanchor logically follows...

where's the mystery? :confused:

Nick

[rustybrick]

Exactly NickW,

I didn't, at first, realize the site was brand new. Critter PMed with the details and that is in fact the case.

Google knows about the links and you really do have those links. Just because a link: doesn't bring them up, doesn't mean you don't have the links.

Keep up the link building.

[rustybrick]

A brand new site should show up #7 for allinanchor considering it has ZERO BL's?

It has BL's, Google just isn't showing them.

[critter]

It has BL's, Google just isn't showing them.Rusty....I own the website I sent you and personally do the SEO on it.

I can assure you, there is without a doubt NO LINK BUILDING going on yet. I have not done any link building. The only BL's would be coming from within the website....so there might be 1/2 dozen or so...if that, although Google hasn't even scanned/indexed my entire website.

So I still don't get how it's possible?

So if the general concensus is correct, I will be #7 once all my BL's are given credit in Google? All this without any BL's?

Critter

[rustybrick]

Internal links count in regards to anchor text. Maybe no one is building links with your exact keyword phrase.

[rustybrick]

So if the general concensus is correct, I will be #7 once all my BL's are given credit in Google? All this without any BL's?

allinanchor rank does not guarantee normal search rank. So no.

[critter]

Am i missing somthing? - this is pretty normal for a brand new site.... backlinks dont normally show till a backlink update, allinanchor logically follows...

where's the mystery? :confused:

NickSo if I am understanding this correctly...once my BL's are counted, my allinanchor placement will actually move up? AllInAnchor does show the most links with specified anchor text?

Still makes no sense....How am I #7, with ZERO BL's?

Critter

[critter]

Internal links count in regards to anchor text. Maybe no one is building links with your exact keyword phrase.This doesnt make any sense... Its a fairly competitive category, with plenty of opportunity, so it would surprise me VERY much if knowone was link building with the same keywords in mind....

Any LINK BUILDING experts that might be able to give insight?

Critter

[rustybrick]

Its not that crazy, really. :)

I rank well for a very competitive allinanchor query. I rank much worse for a less competitive variations of the allinanchor query.

Example: I rank well for "allinanchor:keyword phrase". I do not rank as well for "allinanchor:state+keyword phrase".

Does this make sense?

[Nick W]

Let me understand this correctly.

Are you saying that you know for a fact that no other websites link to your website Critter?

Nick

[critter]

Its not that crazy, really. :)

I rank well for a very competitive allinanchor query. I rank much worse for a less competitive variations of the allinanchor query.

Example: I rank well for "allinanchor:keyword phrase". I do not rank as well for "allinanchor:state+keyword phrase".

Does this make sense?Sorta yes...still abit confused...LOL... Don't know why when this isnt that confusing....

I want to make sure I understand this. Why would one rank better for competitive allinanchor query then a non-competitive one?

Furthermore, aside from showing bl's with your anchor, does this query give you any indication of the type of ranking you "MIGHT" see should you continue link building?

Cheers

CRITTER

[critter]

Let me understand this correctly.

Are you saying that you know for a fact that no other websites link to your website Critter?

NickI know for a fact that I have not done any link building....so the website which I am discussing(not the one in my sig) might have some backlinks, although I don't see how since the site is maybe one week old. Also, there are some bl's, as I said, going from the interior pages back to the homepage, with my keywords being linked through my copyright footer.....But this can be enough to have me show up #7 for allinanchor?

Just surprising considering such a competitive term/industry and yet I rank well with no real, solid link building?

CRITTER

[rustybrick]

Why would one rank better for competitive allinanchor query then a non-competitive one?
Because I have more links with the exact phrase "keyword phrase" then with "state+keyword phrase".

Furthermore, aside from showing bl's with your anchor, does this query give you any indication of the type of ranking you "MIGHT" see should you continue link building?
Its just one, important, variable that affects rankings. So it gives an idea of where you can expect to rank, when all things are considered equal.

[Nick W]

Well, it's clearly guesswork on my part becuase nothing else is open to me but here are some thoughts:


You have had the site in a sig, on a blog, or otherwise have let google find it somehow. Has google spidered the site? - if so how did it find your site?
The domain is not clean (brand new never been registered) and there are still a few sites pointing to it?
Google just really love you? :)


One thing to be aware of though is although it may be strange, as Rusty quite rightly pointed out it's not abnormal to see weired allinanchor placements.

Nick

[SEO Guy]

Critter, I have looked at the site as you requested and #1 you "must" have at least one other site linking to you because the site is in fact in google. Therefore it is 100% plausible that your allinanchor: score is being inflated by internal links alone. Remember page to page anchors from the same domain count as backlinks to specific pages and thus the inflation.

Again it does not guarantee you that rank once all links are out of the sandbox, but it does show that with so few links with that anchor your competition (At least from a backlink perpective) is not that fierce.

[rustybrick]

Yup, good point all. For Google to find the site, it needs at least one external backlink.

But Morgan, SEO Guy, is right - he might have set it better then me. I tried to explain it clearly.

[critter]

Thanks for the replies NICk, SEOGUy and RUSTY!

Starting to make sense now....

I do have one link to the site, from another one of my sites so Google could find and index the site quickly. I did not however, realize that I could rank that well for the allinanchor with just one bl and plenty of page-page links..

Thanks

Critter

[critter]

So this is in no way any indication of how I might rank once I am out of the 'sandbox'?

COuld this be telling me the keyword aint that tough?

Would using the allinanchor be a good measure to test out the waters so to speak for certain keywords you might be going after?

Cheers

Critter

[Nick W]

>>I do have one link to the site, from another one of my sites so Google could find and index the site quickly

Ahhhh..... mystery SOLVED :cool: :)

Nick

[rustybrick]

Its just an allinanchor search. If you ranked better for the more competitive version of the allinanchor query, as opposed to the less competitive one that you PMed me, you would rank very well for the less competitive one with a normal search, IMO. <-- a bit hard to read this sentence. :)

[critter]

>>I do have one link to the site, from another one of my sites so Google could find and index the site quickly

Ahhhh..... mystery SOLVED :cool: :)

NickSorta..

So one bl is all i need to rank that well for allinanchor?

I fgured for a kw this competitive I would need many BL's to rank on the first page for the allinanchor......

CRITTER

[critter]

Are there any queries one can input into Google to find out about their website status in the "SANDBOX"?

CRITTER

[rustybrick]

Critter,

I fgured for a kw this competitive I would need many BL's to rank on the first page for the allinanchor......

The allinanchor does not differentiate between internal backlinks and external backlinks. :)

[Nick W]

Who knows with G? - im not entirely sure even G knows all it's workings......

Nick

[critter]

Its just an allinanchor search. If you ranked better for the more competitive version of the allinanchor query, as opposed to the less competitive one that you PMed me, you would rank very well for the less competitive one with a normal search, IMO. <-- a bit hard to read this sentence. :)The KW I showed you Rusty is much more competitive....and I rank first page for the allinanchor, but knowhere for a regular search on Google. I know I dont have any normal rankings yet b/c the site is new and I have pretty much no themed backlinks...

Critter

[critter]

So, allinanchor doesnt do a whole lot then huh?

[rustybrick]

The KW I showed you Rusty is much more competitive....and I rank first page for the allinanchor, but knowhere for a regular search on Google. I know I dont have any normal rankings yet b/c the site is new and I have pretty much no themed backlinks...

Critter

Its not as competitive as compared to when you remove the adjective that precedes it.

[critter]

Correct...

so in conclusion - can this give me any sort of measure as to how I might rank once the sandbox is lifted?

in the end, what does this query tell me if anything?

CRITTER

[rustybrick]

Correct...

so in conclusion - can this give me any sort of measure as to how I might rank once the sandbox is lifted?

in the end, what does this query tell me if anything?

CRITTER

It should tell you who has the most amount of links that contact the EXACT MATCH keyword phrase in the anchor text.

[critter]

ok

Thanks Rusty

ANy other queries that are useful for checking possible future ranking?

Critter

[Sharon and Roy]

::: < allinanchor: > Operator Defined by Sharon and Roy Montero :::


I keep seeing the allinanchor:keyword, and I have used before, but what does this really show when inputted into Google?


It shows you who has the most links with the keyword text as requested after the allinanchor: query.

I.e. allinanchor:search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&q=allinanchor%3Asearch&btnG=Search) shows who has the most links with the keyword "search".


Hi Critter & Barry,

Actually our research and analysis shows that the < allinanchor: > and the < inanchor: > operators are actually better defined or explained as follows.

The < allinanchor: > and the < inanchor: > operators will rank a page for the total amount of link reputation points (the combined anchor text points of one or more backward links) it has currently received for the query (keywords) used.


For example, a Web page may have several links pointing to it (AKA backward links or backlinks or inbound links) with the anchor text (AKA link text) ...

gigantic blue outdoor widgets

... And the same Web page may also have several links pointing to it with the anchor text ...

tiny red outdoor widgets

Now, we'll also mention that this Web page does not have any links pointing to it with the anchor text ...

tiny blue widgets

... Or any combination of all of those words in any one link pointing to it. But guess what? The query ...

allinanchor: tiny blue widgets

... Will still return this Web page in the SERP (Search Engine Results Pages).


Therefore, we have come to the conclusion that the following is the simplest and best way that we can answer your question.

I keep seeing the allinanchor:keyword, and I have used before, but what does this really show when inputted into Google?


The < allinanchor: > operator shows the ranking order of the pages that have the most link reputation points for the query used.


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So, allinanchor doesnt do a whole lot then huh?


Well, Critter, we wouldn't say that the < allinanchor: > and the < inanchor: > operators, "don't do a whole lot," as you put it.

Actually they can provide some tremendous insight about various queries. Just look at the following to give you an idea of what we mean.

The following charts show the relationship of the top 10 pages for the default search and the < allinanchor: > search.


::: How to Interpret the Charts Below :::

The < results 1 - 10 of about 8,830,000 > in the first chart below means the number of pages returned for the query ... Pizza ... Is 8.83 million pages.

The < 4. #10 > in the first chart below means that the #4 page for the < allinanchor: > search ranks #10 for the default search.



The default search for ... Pizza
Results 1 - 10 of about 8,830,000

The allinanchor: search for ... Pizza
Results 1 - 10 of about 8,530,000

1. #1
2. #2
3. #3
4. #10
5. #4
6. #5
7. #9
8. #8
9. #7
10. -



The default search for ... Pizza pie
Results 1 - 10 of about 706,000

The allinanchor: search for ... Pizza pie
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,550

1. #1
2. #3
3. #2
4. #4
5. -
6. -
7. -
8. #7
9. #9
10. -



The default search for ... Fruit pizza
Results 1 - 10 of about 875,000

The allinanchor: search for ... Fruit pizza
Results 1 - 10 of about 3,280

1. #1
2. #2
3. #4
4. #3
5. #7
6. #5
7. #6
8. #9
9. #8
10. -



The default search for ... Pizza hut
Results 1 - 10 of about 662,000

The allinanchor: search for ... Pizza hut
Results 1 - 10 of about 9,780

1. #1
2. #2
3. #3
4. #4
5. #5
6. #6
7. #8
8. #7
9. -
10. #10


Your Friends,

Sharon And Roy Montero

[reggy73]

Ive seen all your responses but can you tell me this - if a site is first page for allinanchor,allintitle & allintext searches what more does it need to do to get anywhere near the first 3pages of search results :confused:

[Marcia]

I was ranking top five for allinanchor: for a search term for an interior section of a site with no other links to that page other than from within the site itself. It was top 5 for allinanchor: just based on internal links.

That was pre-sandbox, and the same situation existed for the main keyphrase, allinanchor: to the homepage, with only a total of 5 inbound links from other sites. The site got hit after Florida with *nothing* dodgy, it's a clean site. And it still exhibits the same symptoms as a sandboxed site to this day.

[Mel]

Well let me throw another opinion into the ring. ;)

Based on what I have seen over a long period and a bit or research I have done, I believe that the allinanchor: search only selects a ranking pool of pages that have those terms in anchor text pointing to the page. I do not believe that this ranking pool is ranked by anything other than the normal Google ranking algo, and thus that it really does not show you number or "ranking weight" of those terms.

As support for this supposition, I proposed to use the official Google definition of the allinanchor term from the Google advanced search operators page (http://www.google.com/help/operators.html) but I see that they now have removed the inanchor and allinanchor terms from that page.

While that may be some indication that the allinanchor search is not what it is thought to be, I would be pleased if anyone could offer an example which shows somehow that the position of the URL in the allinanchor SERPs is an indication of how many times or how strong the ranking for the search term is.