Adsense Arbitrage Is a Joke!

[Vahid]

Hi,

You may have seen the exaggerating ads on Google and other search engines and websites about making money through the so called "Adsense Arbitrage" method. Does it really work and make any profit? No, it does not.

This is what I strongly believe and want to ask others not to pay any money for the Adsense Arbitrage e-books and products and ... . They are all scam.

If you are not agree with me please give our reasons.

Cheers!

[SanDiegoSEO]

It may not work for you, but if it didn't work so well for others, you wouldn't see so much of it.

Google has deemed it a viable tactic, as long as the user experience is a positive one for the user.

[speedlimit]

Beats me.

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[sportsguy]

Yep - what works for one might not work for another. It's also popular because it HAS worked for some.

[Vahid]

Yes, it may work but not for everybody. It is like other things on the internet. Do all the websites make money? Definitely not. So the Adsense Arbitrage doesn't work for everybody and in fact you have to spend a lot of time and learn many thing to make it work. This is what that makes it impossible for most people because they can not spend a lot of time and learn many things.

On the other hand, there is a big problem. Google doesn't pay all the websites the same for the same ad. An ad that makes $1 for me on my site, may make $0.20 for the others (I am talking about the same ad). So you can not say that if it works for "...", so it works for me too. No, because you don't know on which website "..." has run the ads and how much Google pays him and if Google will pay you the same as him. He will never let you know.

[Marcia]

I can see it if there's value added, but MFA or PPC sites can't be too much of a good "user experience."

[leftoverjoe]

I can see it if there's value added, but MFA or PPC sites can't be too much of a good "user experience."

I agree. I think Google is probably dragging their feet on this issue a little bit because their profits are helped, rather than hindered, by arbitrage at this point. My opinion is that they will eventually take stronger action against this type of tactic, but for now they're going to ride the wave of sweet profits as they figure out how to clamp down without losing a big chunk of revenue right away in the process.

[ndedwards]

Hi All,

I am new to this forum. But after reading what has been said I thought I would jump in and give my five cents worth.

I have run a Adsense Advertising Leverage Campaign now for the last year and a half. I was lucky, my business partner and I stumbled on this one.

We setup a site (adsense) for what we believed to be a high paying keyword. We then tried driving traffic from an adwords campaign to this site. Of course this meant we spent good money after bad, the pay from adsense was around half of what we paid for through adwords.

So I thought about utilising Yahoo's network to drive traffic to the adsense site, and what do you know. We have been making at least 3 times the spend (for every dollar we spend on yahoo we make 3 dollars on adsense). But in running this campaign I have found that you can only raise so much. Not enough to live off of, but enough to pay the monthly server bills, plus have the occassional dinner out etc.

I would not classify my site as a MFA as we have real content, and have return visitors.

I will answer all questions if people need to know anything more about this.

BTW. I don't have any Ebooks to sell :p

Nick Edwards

[SanDiegoSEO]

Now imagine if Nick had 300 of those websites.

[ndedwards]

Now imagine if Nick had 300 of those websites.

But imagine the headache you would have trying to look after that many sites.

The truth is I have tried to duplicate this with other keywords, but so far I have failed. :confused:

I just wanted to add to this discussion, saying that this can work, but by god it is hard work.

Nick

[Vahid]

I will answer all questions if people need to know anything more about this.

BTW. I don't have any Ebooks to sell :p

Nick Edwards

Hi Nick,

Thanks for the information. This is what I meant. I meant those who make real money through Adsense, don't let others know the secret through a $40 e-book.

You said you will answer all questions. I just have two questions:
1- What keyword you have focused on?
2- What is the website that you drive traffic to it? I just like to see the page that you drive traffic to.

I know these two questions are very important and I don't expect you to answer it. I will appreciate if you answer them to me through a private message if possible

I do not want to run the same business because I really have no more time to spend on anything even if it makes money. I am just curious to know how it works.

Cheers!

[ndedwards]

Hi All,

I have decided to explain in full what we did and how we did it.

First of all we decided on a keyword. Well actually my business partner Nathan decided the keywords, Laser Hair Removal. We read somewhere that they paid one of the highest adsense amounts per keyword somewhere in the region of $15-$30 per click.

So we bought a domain, laser-hair-removal.com. We needed to make sure that the keywords were right there in the domain name (btw. it doesn't matter unless you are looking for organic traffic).

We added our content, we commissioned an article to be written for us. And then collected as many articles as we could from the various article directories. We setup a Open Source CMS Drupal and plugged the content in. We then went through the different online business telephone directories getting a list of various laser hair removal (LHR) practioners. Then my business partner (btw who is a genius web designer) did a simple design for the site.

The first attempt to work with arbitrage was driving traffic from adwords to this adsense site. WHAT A MISSERABLE FAILURE. I think we spent around $30 to generate $15. Google makes money on both sides. We stopped this campaign, and we thought it couldn't be done.

I was thinking about what we did wrong. And then it dawned on me, maybe Google penalises you for driving traffic with adwords to an adsense site. Will they still penalise you if you used other forms of traffic.

So I thought who was next biggest player in the PPC market at the time. Of course Overture. At the time, about 1 and a half years ago, Overture still had MSN as part of their network.

So I started experimenting. I started at 10c a click and tested for a week, it returned double my money. I then moved to 20c, and then found the sweet spot of 30c. At this point I was earning roughly 3 times what we were spending.

Then MSN pulled out of the Overture partnership to do things on their own. This of course dropped our income quite considerably.

So I thought, what the hey, I will pay for MSN clicks as well. But it isn't the same. The clicks we did get were not converting at the same rate.

As for our conversion rate, we are converting 30% at least of our page views to clicks. It must be the site, because I have heard that this is pretty near impossible to get normally.

As for the keyword we are bidding on, anything the overture or adwords spits out with the starting keyword of LHR.

You are probably all wondering why is he doing this. Well our focus has changed, we still earn money from that site, but we are concentrating on our web based applications.

I hope this answers some of your questions. I will endeavour to go into more detail where you would like more information. I feel that I should give back something to the community that I learnt so much from over the last few years.

Regards,
Nick

[noriday]

It certainly does for some people, and for some just enough to cover electric bills or buy some good dinner. But for many people, they are not proud making money from it. My site gives me $0.10 to maximum of $0.60 per day. How much a month you think I made?

I always wonder blogger like Darren (Problogger) claimed he made 5 figure income from Adsense. He said he post 13 articles a day, 4745 a year, that way, he create thousands of traffic per day to his site. All I can see he only has 2 Adsense ads in his site, one inside the content and another one is at the bottom (conquered by JohnChow's Ad). He also said the best guide is from Joel Comm, he personally recommended his e-book - Adsense Secret. I didn't buy it because there is no point to buy it. If you really want to make money from Adsense, what you need is the one and only TRAFFIC! You better purchase SEO tools from one good SEO company to help you increase your traffic. But it's not cheap. The chances people click your ads would be 10% from the total traffic. The most would be 30% if you're lucky.

What about the content? There's no way we can control them, they are all robots (crawler). There's always leakage in the system somehow.

Norish Aida

[Vahid]

Hi All,
I have decided to explain in full what we did and how we did it ...
Nick

Hi Nick,

Thanks for your explanations. I have discussed about Adsense Arbitrage in several forums but nobody gave such a complete explanations.

I tried to visit your website, laser-hair-removal.com but it returned 403 error.

Are you using another domain for your Adsense Arbitrage? I will be thankful if you kindly let us know.

Cheers!

[ndedwards]

Hi Nick,

Thanks for your explanations. I have discussed about Adsense Arbitrage in several forums but nobody gave such a complete explanations.

I tried to visit your website, laser-hair-removal.com but it returned 403 error.

Are you using another domain for your Adsense Arbitrage? I will be thankful if you kindly let us know.

Cheers!


Well how was that for a der moment... The domain is actually laser-hair-removal-report.com.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Nick

[Vahid]

Well how was that for a der moment... The domain is actually laser-hair-removal-report.com.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Nick

Thanks Nick.