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Chris Boggs
08-30-2004, 12:47 PM
An interesting concept, please excuse if it's a re-read for some, but I was advised to start a new thread in order to get some responses...

A company contacted one of my clients about SE positioning. The company has a partnership with Google and other SE networks to provide exclusive #1 sponsored content for a large industry sector. They, in turn, set up a directory on their site and charge for positions within their directory based on geographical search. The cost is ok, based on comparison of probable average CPC and visits (assuming "close ratio" remains the same for the client's website). And the company can provide nation/worldwide market saturation, allowing someone who is searching for a term in one place to find it wherever. This is a little like Danny Sullivan's Radio Flyer situation from his SES San Jose keynote (couldn't find it but here is Rustybrick's summary (http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=905).)

Let's use the old Web Position Gold "blue widget" and say the searcher wants to be able to get a blue widget when he gets to San Diego. This site has the $$$-given right to provide the number 1 spot for blue widgets, and its directory will lead to a blue widget location in san diego (assuming that this company already has a "partner" for that area). Is this the future of search? Sort of a PPC general-agency? (which for those without insurance in their background is a middleman between brokers and health firms), and if they are such a thing, shouldn't the SE's pay these guys to provide relevant directories that they approve anyway? Are they not in essence doing the job of the SE's?

Please post thoughts... I recently advised the client to try it out, but to be aware that once he becomes the sole site on that list for a particular area, competing sites will be targeted by the same company and offered a higher position for more $$$...specifically, the seller of the directory positions will provide a guarantee for #1 at $2500, but only $1350 for guaranteed #6 *** with the sales pitch that he's #1 until someone else in his area outbids him (or five others outbid him). Therefore, he is at a point where he can lock-in #1 for $2500, or take it w/#6 until someone beats him...looks good to the directory provider to me, huh?

Elisabeth
08-30-2004, 01:59 PM
The company has a partnership with Google and other SE networks to provide exclusive #1 sponsored content for a large industry sector.

My first comment is that generally, any company that claims to have 'an exclusive partnership' with google or any SE is stretching the truth more than a little. (that's not to say some back room deals haven't been struck in the past) but more clarification or proof of what their arrangement is needs to be provided.

but typically these services are only using Adwords or Overture PPC to obtain #1 - so they're falsely advertising their ability to start with.

NFFC
08-30-2004, 02:15 PM
>Please post thoughts

A wise man [well littleman actually] once advised me against financially supporting my competitors. I would have that in the back of my mind when reviewing any offers like this.

>The company has a partnership with Google and other SE networks to provide exclusive #1 sponsored content for a large industry sector.

Them and a million others if the cold calls I get are any guide.

Chris Boggs
08-31-2004, 09:25 AM
I see what you mean about supporting competition...in this case it's a little different, though. My relationship with this client is as that of a business consultant. He is not yet interested in SEO, because he likes his scripts too much.

He enjoys great click-throughs with the PPC's I setup for him (between 5-35%, depending on keyword and platform-of course Google is on the lower-end). So to him this concept boils down to "will it get him calls/online requests?" Therefore I told him yes with the caveat that another competitor could be more likely to pay more to outbid him. He pays about .50/click on average for most of his terms, and the math works out to potentially bettering that with this one. Of course, once again, he could get "outbid."

Do you think that "them and a million others" could be lying about the partnerships? It seems likely to me that Google and others would gladly sign someone for big $$ to ensure #1 positions for a particular set of non-geographic terms within a general industry. I think this is the case whenever a sponsored link appears in blue on top of Google instead of in usual Google banner territory? :confused:

seobook
08-31-2004, 10:04 AM
Do you think that "them and a million others" could be lying about the partnerships? It seems likely to me that Google and others would gladly sign someone for big $$ to ensure #1 positions for a particular set of non-geographic terms within a general industry. I think this is the case whenever a sponsored link appears in blue on top of Google instead of in usual Google banner territory? :confused:

I see my stuff up in the blue stuff on some bids that are not even expensive. I think that Google understands that their longterm value is that they made advertising possible to a broad client base and as that client base is trimmed down they lose public sentiment and eventually lose ad dollars.

Chris Boggs
08-31-2004, 10:13 AM
So what do you think warrants "the blue stuff?" Could this be because they know you provide a lot of AdWords clients to them?

Chris Boggs
09-01-2004, 09:18 AM
I went and did a few searches where I know that there wasn't a "premium bidder." Following up on the last post, seobook, do you think Google could be moving towards putting more sponsored-listings at the top a-la Yahoo and AOL's use of G ads?

seobook
09-01-2004, 09:52 AM
I went and did a few searches where I know that there wasn't a "premium bidder." Following up on the last post, seobook, do you think Google could be moving towards putting more sponsored-listings at the top a-la Yahoo and AOL's use of G ads?

I do not think they will extend those ads out at all. the beauty of only listing a few of them is that (even though they are in colored boxes) they do not really seem so much like ads...they seem more like extra special search results or whatever. that is why it makes sense for Google to put more weight on the relevancy of those and limit how many slots they show.

when they showed them they want a really high clickthrough rate.

with only showing 0-1-2 they really do not seem too obtrusive and do not too much hurt the flow or visiblity of the normal results. Even with a toolbar installed I can cut my screen horizontally in half and still see search results without scrolling...thats good stuff.

Vice adding more ads to the page I would expect Google to work on continually extending their ad distribution network and sucking more and more people into the Google family of sites (google, gmail, blogger, etc.).

Chris Boggs
09-02-2004, 09:02 AM
...about Google: people kept calling them a tech company while the talk of their IPO was hot, but how many more effective and encompassing marketing companies are out there right now?