View Full Version : Yahoo removed some of my main pages !
It happened again !
badaling_great_wall.html and now xiangshan_park.html have completely dsappeared from Yahoo's index.
Each place is detailed over a number of pages with the most important info on page 1. The page 1s have been removed but pages 2, 3 etc are still in the index.
Pages 2, 3 etc are basically just photo pages with the only text being the menu ('XiangShan 1', 'Xiangshan 2' etc). Page one had the description - certainly unique, written by me.
A few days ago, I noticed than xiangshan_park.html had climbed to position 1 for search term 'xiangshan park' - then 2 days later, gone !
This page has not been changed for a couple of months so its very hard to understand what happened. There is no 'black cat' stuff involved.
Needless to say, this is very frustrating. Anyone any ideas on what is going on.
No problems with these page in Google.
Steve
xiangshan_park.html is now back in the index (at position 2).
Strangely, however, it is listed in the non-www form although I have specified to yahoo, who hosts my site, that i want to use the www form. All the links, internal and external, use the www form too. Perhaps it doesn't matter as it is automatically resolved - really not sure. Anyway, it is back :)
However, another page, badaling_great_wall.html is still missing.
Second page also back - badaling_great_wall.html - but far down the index as yet. Perhaps it will recover position in time. By page 2 of the results for this search term there is not much competition.
So I feel rather relieved - yet still wondering why this problem came about. Perhaps its just one of those things in an imperfect world. I now feel a bit silly to have gotten so worried - but only because things are getting better again. For any other readers facing such a situation I guess the thing is, don't panic - if you have done nothing wrong - no black rat stuff - it will surly sort itself out.
Steve
Update.
Still having problems with Yahoo indexing. Various pages go out of the index, come back again and out again ... Positions jumping about all over the place. Don't know why - with Google no problems, just slow small steps. So I give up tracking Yahoo index from now - it's just a wste of my time. Am I the only one experiencing this ??
Page yonghegong.html was number 1 this morning for search term 'yonghegong' - now it is not in the index. This has happened several times now - in and out every day or two. What onearth is going on ?!
The irony is, my site is hosted by Yahoo !
Any Yahoo people out there ?
My site is in my profile.
Right after my last post the page was back. But after dinner, guess what - it's gone again !!!
One can hardly imagine ho inuriating this is !
Marcia
09-04-2006, 09:38 PM
Steve, using Yahoo hosting has nothing to do with Yahoo search indexing and rankings.
I know that !
I mention it becaus eit might seem like an access problem - but you would think a Tahoo crawler would know when Yahoo servers are down.
In any case, it's not that. It's something much stranger. 5 mins ago It was not in the index. I post some '!!!' here and lo, it's back ! This is so wierd, never heard of anything like it.
The only thing I can think of, is that it's to do with different data centers. Why my browser would not always reach the same datacenter I don't know - I know nothing about this. Could this be the reason ?
Steve
Another day - and still same problem !
Took a bit longer this time - 15 mins - but after posting here, page reappears in Yahoo index. 3 times now. Wierd ! No idea why.
Marcia
09-06-2006, 12:18 AM
The only thing I can think of, is that it's to do with different data centers. Why my browser would not always reach the same datacenter I don't know - I know nothing about this. Could this be the reason ?It could be, that's how it is with Google so it's entirely possible other engines may also, even though other data center locations may not be known.
This issue with pages seeming to disappear and reappear was posted about as far back as last year, it isn't anything new. Apparently there's some rotation of the database so that different results appear, with some possibility of it being cookie-related having been discussed back then.
If that's what happens then there's a reason for them doing it that way. That's just the way it is (and has been) with Yahoo Search and people just have to get used to it being that way.
Hi Marcia,
It's not that.
This happens only to certain pages - others (great majority) are stable.
Other sites in the listing also remain stable.
Steve
Just thought - there may be a connection with another problem with Yahoo that started around the same time - about 2 weeks ago. Previously, these problems with Yahoo were not present.
The second is (and is about hosting noy index) - I have a lot of problems now uploading by FTP - in years before, no such problems but in last 2 weeks nearlt every time Yahoo will cut-out half way and i have to redo the FTP - even for very small files.
It would seem to be complete coincidence that this timing coincides with Yahoo's last algo change - a change which seems favourable to my pages, other than this intermittent problem with SOME pages.
Perhaps Yahoo is having network overload problems - i've no real idea. But something is amiss.
Steve
Marcia
09-06-2006, 12:29 AM
crawler would know when Yahoo servers are down.No they wouldn't, there are crawl algorithms that determine crawling. That has nothing whatsoever to do with another part of Yahoo that deals with hosting.
As far as it happening with some pages and not others, that could be some kind of query time filtering that effects some searches but not others. Just a possibility, there's no way to tell for sure but it's possible that it isn't the pages but the search term that's triggering it.
There must be more than one index in play. One is missing some of my pages (but does have most). The strange thing is that i could understand this happening for a few days but we are into the third week now and all pages would have been recrawled since then. If the page is not there I can click on 'search' any number of times and itis still missing. After posting here, It reapperas shortly after in same browser window (nothing else changed) - now that is strange. I tried looking at different country indexes but they seem consistent regarding in or out. My guess (hope) is that eventually this will resolve.
I think I may have just deduced the answer to all this.
About the time of start of problems, Yahoo switched its new home page from Beta to live. This obviously has caused a big increase in Bandwidth to its network and meant that FTP has problems and also its crawlers timing out where previously they would not - it explains why first pages are the ones going missing also but secondary ones get crawled.
Steve