Keywords question

[tuttut]

Hello,

I am doing a celeb pic site, obviously when it comes to the galleries I will target the obvious celebrity-name-pictures - celebrity-name-pics - celebrity-name-gallery etc - But these are all congested keyphrases but I am struggling to think of what else to do - Should I go for these keyphrases and hope that even tho I wont get ranked high for them I will still get good traffic?

What other things could I do?

Same problem for my index page, I will target 'celebrity pictures' but know I dont stand much chance of ranking high for it.

Do you have any suggestions?

[evilgreenmonkey]

The first thing I would ask you is; what makes your website different from the rest?

I gather that you have the permission of the photographer or copyright holder of each image?

[tuttut]

The first thing I would ask you is; what makes your website different from the rest?



Dunno, but whats that got to do with my question?

As for the other question, how do I know who a picture is 'copyrighted' too? I have ran many celeb pic sites in the past (Before I got into SEO) and never ever had a problem, I always avoid pics that have 'copyrighted' or 'photographed' by on (Which any decent photographer who cares would do) and I havent had a problem.

If it was a big problem would there be so many celeb sites on the net with loads of pictures? It really isnt an issue, people just over-react about it when in truth no-one really cares generally.

[evilgreenmonkey]

Dunno, but whats that got to do with my question?

It's the first question you should ask yourself when marketing/optimising a site.

Why would people link to me?
Why do I stand out from the rest?

Based on this you can then ask;

What terms are searched for based on my USP (Unique Selling Point)?
Will I gain more traffic with lots of high ranking niche terms then a low ranking generic term?
Why do I deserve to rank well for the top generic terms?
Why would people want to link to my site rather than my competitors?


:cool:

Rob

[tuttut]

It's the first question you should ask yourself when marketing/optimising a site.

Why would people link to me?
Why do I stand out from the rest?

Based on this you can then ask;

What terms are searched for based on my USP (Unique Selling Point)?
Will I gain more traffic with lots of high ranking niche terms then a low ranking generic term?
Why do I deserve to rank well for the top generic terms?
Why would people want to link to my site rather than my competitors?


:cool:

Rob

While I see what you're saying Isnt it a little different to what I asked?

The site is celeb galleries of different celebs, in terms of what is searched for its the usual 'celeb name pictures' 'celeb name pics' etc.

I suppose there wont be much different from mine then the others, how different can picture sites be?

[evilgreenmonkey]

As for the other question, how do I know who a picture is 'copyrighted' too? I have ran many celeb pic sites in the past (Before I got into SEO) and never ever had a problem, I always avoid pics that have 'copyrighted' or 'photographed' by on (Which any decent photographer who cares would do) and I havent had a problem.
Every picture is the property of its photographer, unless they sign off their rights to a publisher/agency/third-party. Freelance photographers make money by selling their photos either for a one-off license fee or for a certain number of copies/publications. This is their bread and butter, so if people don't pay to use their legal property, the photographer has less money to pay the rent.


If it was a big problem would there be so many celeb sites on the net with loads of pictures? It really isnt an issue, people just over-react about it when in truth no-one really cares generally.
Unless you have permission given to you by the copyright holder, you are infringing their legal rights. If a website containing stolen imagery became popular enough to get noticed, the copyright holder will sue the site owners (or their parents if legally an adolescent). Although Freelancers rarely sue unless a big fish uses their imagery, agencies and publications often have enough internal resources and lawyers to fully protect their Interlectual Property.

[tuttut]

Every picture is the property of its photographer, unless they sign off their rights to a publisher/agency/third-party. Freelance photographers make money by selling their photos either for a one-off license fee or for a certain number of copies/publications. This is their bread and butter, so if people don't pay to use their legal property, the photographer has less money to pay the rent.


Unless you have permission given to you by the copyright holder, you are infringing their legal rights. If a website containing stolen imagery became popular enough to get noticed, the copyright holder will sue the site owners (or their parents if legally an adolescent). Although Freelancers rarely sue unless a big fish uses their imagery, agencies and publications often have enough internal resources and lawyers to fully protect their Interlectual Property.

Ill worry about that then, as I said I have never had a prob and have contacted big celeb sites like superiorpics.com and asked them and they said they generally havent had prob, sometimes they might get asked to remove something which they do.

I always avoid pics that have messages on them, if someone emails me and asks me to remove something I will, although I could be fussy and ask them to prove they took the pic, but it isnt worth it.

As I said it generally isnt a problem, if it was no fan sites with galleries would exist or massive celebrity picture sites in which there are thousands, its hardly something that is unknown or anything.

[evilgreenmonkey]

The site is celeb galleries of different celebs, in terms of what is searched for its the usual 'celeb name pictures' 'celeb name pics' etc.
I suppose there wont be much different from mine then the others, how different can picture sites be?

Without a USP, there's no reason for people to visit your site or to link to it. It wouldn't matter how many times you had "celeb name pics" related terms in your copy and keywords, the site just wouldn't rank.

Maybe before launching your site you should think about a benefit that only your website can offer. You may also want to look into your legal liability with the site.

[tuttut]

Without a USP, there's no reason for people to visit your site or to link to it. It wouldn't matter how many times you had "celeb name pics" related terms in your copy and keywords, the site just wouldn't rank.

Maybe before launching your site you should think about a benefit that only your website can offer. You may also want to look into your legal liability with the site.

Nah, Im ok with the legal liabilty as it wont come to anything, I guarantee it, Ive never had a prob and know people who run celeb sites who never have a prob and as I said I even emailed one of the biggest sites - People just over react - Soon no messageboards will allow avatars because they are all 'copyrighted' or all sites must be made in text with no pics unles you definetly took or made the pic and can prove it.

But back to my question, as I asked, how different can picture sites be? They offer one thing and thats pictures, what more is there to think about? And I dont see how whether someone wants to visit my site is relevant to how it will get ranked for search terms....Linking yes, but then its easy to get loads of links or link exchanges and generally people dont mind if the site isnt different, so I dont see how that is relevant.

[g1smd]

Your indifferent attitude to other peoples legal rights is extremely worrying, and does not show you as running a credible site.

[seminhouse]

.... how different can picture sites be? They offer one thing and thats pictures, what more is there to think about?

Picture sites can be very different:

- You could let people vote on celebrities' best and worst shots.
- You can offer information about celebrities.
- You can offer picture bundles - hair through the years, each celeb's best gowns, etc.
- Pics can be in different file sizes and qualities - print vs. download.



And I dont see how whether someone wants to visit my site is relevant to how it will get ranked for search terms....Linking yes, but then its easy to get loads of links or link exchanges and generally people dont mind if the site isnt different, so I dont see how that is relevant.

Does it have to do with ranking? Not solely, it has more to do with getting links (by the way, link exchanges aren't as valuable as they used to be) and it has to do with gleaning as many clicks as possible from the SERPs where you rank....why would someone want to click on your site more than the others' in the SERPs? You may have high rankings, but you're still competing against nine other listings on page one.

Also, think bigger than SEO - if you're taking the time to build the site, run it like a business and think about what will bring people back, again and again. What's the point of driving traffic that comes once and never returns because they don't remember your site from all the others? If you leverage repeat traffic and incremental SERPs traffic, your overall site traffic will increase at a much faster rate.