View Full Version : Do backlinks coming from the same C-Class IP lower the site's search engine ranking?
if one backlink comes from 53.25.15.5 and another comes from 53.25.15.6, they would be grouped together. Backlinks coming from the same C-Class IP are most likely hosted by the same company, which may lower the site's search engine ranking
Thanks
JAG
AnthonyCea
05-27-2006, 03:27 PM
That is true, the value of those links can be discounted and this is one of many ways for the SE's to find related sites, that is why many think it is best to host on different C-Blocks.
glengara
05-27-2006, 03:48 PM
I know one or more of "The Papers" mention that links from similar blocks may be discounted, IMO it may take more than one "similarity" to have a link discounted....
Marcia
05-27-2006, 04:09 PM
There's a big, big difference between something lowering rankings and something being discounted and just not helping with rankings.
AnthonyCea
05-27-2006, 08:56 PM
Interlinking between related sites could become major problem if you go crazy and turn your network of websites into a private link farm!
Marcia
05-27-2006, 09:13 PM
Interlinking between related sites could become major problem if you go crazy and turn your network of websites into a private link farm!Sites can be interlinked even if they're not in the same c-class. There's a difference, and we can look at each one individually or together with the other, combined.
AnthonyCea
05-28-2006, 12:49 PM
Who is "we" Marcia?
You sound like you are working for a SE....
Next, what methods do you use to find related links, can you show the members how you do this?
Marcia
05-28-2006, 07:31 PM
Who is "we" Marcia?Well Anthony, "we" as webmasters can graph out how we're linking among our own sites and other sites in common, topically in addition to hosting and IP ranges.
Next, what methods do you use to find related links, can you show the members how you do this?Easy peasy, even us common folk can detect basic interlinking patterns among sites, starting right here (http://www.google.com).
Wilksy
05-28-2006, 08:46 PM
It really depends on the interlinking (how incestuous) and the topics of the sites in the cluster. If they are all clean and relevant to each other (no sites of totally similar theme or size) you can easily get away with the same c block.
I know of one network of about 60 related travel sites that all are hosted on the same c block that totally dominate the serps in quite compeditive areas. That said they also rely on an large old site that feeds them traffic and some fairly valuable anchors and local rank, however all the sites form part of a nice network of content sites.
If your a spammer I'd be hosting most of your stuff seperately on totally different IP blocks and being very sure not to ruin the effect by excessively crosslinking sites and being very careful with what you consider related.
AnthonyCea
05-28-2006, 09:20 PM
Thanks Marcia, but your link is not working and I was disappointed because I was expecting a good lesson from your post! :(
Marcia
05-28-2006, 09:47 PM
link is not workingFixed, commas don't work in domain URLs. ;)
Even without the tools the engines have for their own internal use, we can uncover lots about a site's linking just by doing searches using different operators.
If your a spammer I'd be hosting most of your stuff seperately on totally different IP blocksI'm not a spammer, and I try to spread sites out a bit for very practical reasons - like not having down-time on all sites at once, for one.
Also, linking between sites in moderation, if limited to what's on-topic, relevant and useful for visitors is logical and should look acceptable even when a "human" is looking. Kitchen towels to bath towels, yes. Kitchen towels to cookie jars, yes. Kitchen towels to mortgage sites or texas holdem, no.
Wilksy
05-28-2006, 09:53 PM
I'm not a spammer
Sure Marcia, we believe you (http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=3099) :D
AnthonyCea
05-28-2006, 11:55 PM
Marcia I hate to keep asking, but future readers really are going to want to know how to find related links, not everyone that reads this knows how to find out this data!
Marcia
05-29-2006, 12:08 AM
You start with doing a simple site search, and then click on Similar Pages (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=related:searchenginewatch.com/)
There will be a lot of pages that are linked to from the same pages linking to the site being queried for. It says "similar" and shows up as "related" but the relationship is related by links rather than being similar pages. Pages totally not similar in any way can show up, simply by being linked to from the same place.
That's different from us checking simply to see what sites are on the same IP number, and if I remember correctly that can be checked at MSN Search.
backlinks from same C IP lower the PR or the backlinks discounted?
Which is right, i have to be safe i have many backlinks from same C IP
Thanks
JAG
traian
05-29-2006, 06:03 AM
backlinks from same C IP lower the PR
No, that's not true. The links from the same IP address won't hurt your PR, they are not taken in account to the PR. Or they are included in your PR formula but with a factor that cannot possibly influuence the PR.
One way your page rank can be influenced, in negative way, is if that those C-class IPs are used by link farms, FFAs or extensive backlinkage.
or the backlinks discounted?
that might be true, but not necessarely. See the above.
Jag, I will keep telling you to forget about the PR stuff. I know sites that had a PR of 0 and had 500 unique visitors/day and their competition with a PR of 3 have 20.
Keep adding relevant, unique content and you will have visitors. Just ask your self what do you want, PR or visitors? :)
Traian
I agree i want visitors, but what to do people asking for site page rank? :(
That is the problem.
One way your page rank can be influenced, in negative way, is if that those C-class IPs are used by link farms, FFAs or extensive backlinkage.Traian
"C-class IPs are used by link farms, FFAs or extensive backlinkage" How to find this?
JAG
No, that's not true. The links from the same IP address won't hurt your PR, they are not taken in account to the PR. Or they are included in your PR formula but with a factor that cannot possibly influuence the PR.
One way your page rank can be influenced, in negative way, is if that those C-class IPs are used by link farms, FFAs or extensive backlinkage.
that might be true, but not necessarely. See the above.
Jag, I will keep telling you to forget about the PR stuff. I know sites that had a PR of 0 and had 500 unique visitors/day and their competition with a PR of 3 have 20.
Keep adding relevant, unique content and you will have visitors. Just ask your self what do you want, PR or visitors? :)
Traian
traian
05-29-2006, 06:23 AM
"C-class IPs are used by link farms, FFAs or extensive backlinkage" How to find this?
Well, you are the one that build the links, isn't it? After a period of time you will recognize the FFA, link farms simply by the pages content: a lot of backlinks, no categories, link from porn sites, pills and casinos, ugly web sites, with a low PR. Nowadays, you should also be carrefull for MFAs sites. Don't exchange links with them(infact you would want to exchange links only with hubs sites).
Traian
Ok. i want to know which are all c class ip used by link farms, FFAs or extensive backlinkage and MFA.
I want to know is my c class ip used by them? is there any tool for it, its a serious matter
JAG
Well, you are the one that build the links, isn't it? After a period of time you will recognize the FFA, link farms simply by the pages content: a lot of backlinks, no categories, link from porn sites, pills and casinos, ugly web sites, with a low PR. Nowadays, you should also be carrefull for MFAs sites. Don't exchange links with them(infact you would want to exchange links only with hubs sites).
Traian
Well, you are the one that build the links, isn't it? After a period of time you will recognize the FFA, link farms simply by the pages content: a lot of backlinks, no categories, link from porn sites, pills and casinos, ugly web sites, with a low PR. Nowadays, you should also be carrefull for MFAs sites. Don't exchange links with them(infact you would want to exchange links only with hubs sites).
Traian
Can u pls be much more clear ;(
JAG
AnthonyCea
05-29-2006, 09:47 AM
Yes, he told you already, the tool is common sense, don't link with scraper sites, do not submit to reciprocal link pages or directories, do not engage in automated reciprocal linking schemes!
If you want a piece of software that is going to tell you each IP you should never link to you are link scamming way too much and have been reading threads on webmaster forums from last year way too much!
Slow down and read current threads on linking and take it easy man and build good content and don't rush out to trade links, the day of getting a million links from anywhere to rank are over and done with!
I know the tool is common sense ;)
But to be clear i have back link from our website developed sites, they are hosted in a server. In this c class ip is first 9 digit right.If this ip is shared for FFA and etc in the same server then how to find link farms, FFAs or extensive backlinkage using our c class ip
Thanks
JAG
Yes, he told you already, the tool is common sense, don't link with scraper sites, do not submit to reciprocal link pages or directories, do not engage in automated reciprocal linking schemes!
If you want a piece of software that is going to tell you each IP you should never link to you are link scamming way too much and have been reading threads on webmaster forums from last year way too much!
Slow down and read current threads on linking and take it easy man and build good content and don't rush out to trade links, the day of getting a million links from anywhere to rank are over and done with!
traian
05-29-2006, 10:28 AM
hey jag,
Here is a tip(for you and anyone else):
Once you decided to ask for a link(if you still want to ask for links:D) get the home page url and do a reverse DNS on it to find the IP of that domain. Then, with the IP, do a reverse IP to see which sites are hosted on that IP. Also you would like to do a SPAM test for that IP, to see if it's banned(not directly by Google, but by other services that G might use).Then take a quick look over the sites hosted for the same IP(name and a quick visit) to make an ideea of what's all about. Then, decide if you still wnat to do the link exchange.
Take care, some IPs can share more than 4000 web sites, wich will be time consuming to check them all.
Other tip I give you for free: trustworthy sites do not have shared IP :), so, if you are in doubt about a site, see if it is on a shared IP, and then ..it's your call.
Traian
AnthonyCea
05-29-2006, 10:31 AM
Can you explain what you are worried about here?
Are you on a shared hosting plan and you are worried about other sites on your sever being Link Farms or are you saying you have linked your sites to link farms in the past?
If you are worried about bad linking take your links down and start over!
First tip is a great idea but i think i can build only one link per day ;)
Normally i build alteat avearge of 120 to 200 links manually :) and my name is JAg not jug
Problem is that i have to check with my shared ip whether it is shated to FFA etc :(
Thanks
JAG
hey jug,
Here is a tip for you and anyone else
Once you decided to ask for a link(if you still want to ask for links) get the home page url and do a reverse DNS on it to find the IP of that domain. Then, with the IP, do a reverse IP to see which sites are hosted on that IP. Also you would like to do a SPAM test for that IP, to see if it's banned(not directly by Google, but by other services that G might use).Then take a quick look over the sites hosted for the same IP(name and a quick visit) to make an ideea of what's all about. Then, decide if you still wnat to do the link exchange.
Take care, some IPs can share more than 4000 web sites, wich will be time consuming to check them all.
Other tip I give you for free: trustworthy sites do not have shared IP :), so, if you are in doubt about a site, see if it is on a shared IP, and then ..it's your call.
Traian
traian
05-29-2006, 10:42 AM
Jag :),
Seems that you have some concerns about your hosting company. Then, do a DNS lookup on your website home page, get the IP, do reverse IP on that and see which sites are hostes toghether with you.
Also do a SPAM check directly on your IP form the DNS lookup.
Traian
Problem is that i have to check with my shared ip whether it is shated to FFA in server :(
Some sites in shared hosting plan. I have not linked my site to link farms.
But i have to find it and if so correct it.
Thanks
JAG
Can you explain what you are worried about here?
Are you on a shared hosting plan and you are worried about other sites on your sever being Link Farms or are you saying you have linked your sites to link farms in the past?
If you are worried about bad linking take your links down and start over!
Tmr my first work is this one ;) and to find out if any :D
JAG
Jag :),
Seems that you have some concerns about your hosting company. Then, do a DNS lookup on your website home page, get the IP, do reverse IP on that and see which sites are hostes toghether with you.
Also do a SPAM check directly on your IP form the DNS lookup.
Traian
traian
05-29-2006, 10:48 AM
Jag,
Normally i build alteat avearge of 120 to 200 links manually
man, when the hell on earth do you have time to do that, if you are posting on SEW like a maniac :D ;)
Traian
Ya man i work for the company for 12 hrs ;) am very much intrested in SEO :)
and learing things
JAG
Jag,
man, when the hell on earth do you have time to do that, if you are posting on SEW like a maniac :D ;)
Traian
AnthonyCea
05-29-2006, 02:30 PM
Don't worry about being on the same server with other sites unless you have link relationships with them, you are going to drive yourself insane!
Next, you need to take it easy on going after links, you are going to hurt yourself, I can see that!
But you have to think about C Class IP dude ;)
JAG
Don't worry about being on the same server with other sites unless you have link relationships with them, you are going to drive yourself insane!
Next, you need to take it easy on going after links, you are going to hurt yourself, I can see that!
Marcia
05-30-2006, 01:51 AM
But you have to think about C Class IP dudeYou do if you intend to link some sites that are relevant and want or need the link love for them. For sites in the same or similar niche where linking from one to the other makes sense and is on topic, I'd suspect those may be better off spread out than hosted together.
Incidentally, everyone is Google, Google, all the time Google, but I strongly suspect that Yahoo may look at IP numbers and C-classes (and even being on the same server maybe); and Yahoo is definitely not one to be messed with.
I heared G also looks C-classes IP and refining there new algorithm, is it so?
Altavista and alltheweb do same a Yahoo :)
what about MSN?
Thanks
JAG
Incidentally, everyone is Google, Google, all the time Google, but I strongly suspect that Yahoo may look at IP numbers and C-classes (and even being on the same server maybe); and Yahoo is definitely not one to be messed with.[/QUOTE]
AnthonyCea
05-30-2006, 01:15 PM
You have to worry about your link relationships, not about what other sites you have no link relationship with that may reside on the same server, you are wasting your time, some IP's have millions of sites on them!
Are you going to check each one of those to find out if they are link farms?
You are taking things to an extreme, you worry about the wrong things for sure when you should simply look at how your sites are interlinked and if YOU have linked to automated reciprocal link schemes or reciprocal link directories!
One point you may have when thinking about this is being hosted on a banned domain, some blog networks are filled with spam sub domains and they host all kinds of affiliate pages and the entire network may be de-indexed because of a high concentration of spam.
I would worry if I was on the same server and found out that 95% of the sites on that server were affiliate or porn sites!
If you are so worried, find another host or go to dedicated hosting!
Marcia
05-30-2006, 01:29 PM
sites on that server were affiliate or porn sitesYou do realize of course that there are family-friendly affiliate sites run by little mommies that partner with family-friendly merchants for things like maternity clothing, baby strollers, baby booties and cute little ducky gift baskets and sesame street bedding, don't you?
You do realize that some affiliate sites are bookmarked 15-20% by "normal" people (like your mother or dad or sister, for example) because they find them valuable and want to return and visit again - did you know that?
AnthonyCea
05-30-2006, 01:59 PM
I know that, I have nothing against affiliate programs in general, but when an entire blog network is filled with page after page of Viagra and poker sites then you have a problem trying to get ranked on that blog network using a sub domain!
Google (and the other SE's) has dumped a ton of automatically generated Amazon sites and Amazon Books stores too because of the duplicate content situation, they just don't want them clogging up the search index as we know all too well.
Is there any answer for this one? ;)
JAG
what about MSN looks C-classes IP?
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Marcia
05-30-2006, 02:28 PM
Actually, this topic is asking about links from the same c-class which is a different issue from hosting a site in a possibly bad neighborhood.
I personally don't think it makes any difference if some sites we own are hosted on the same IP. As was already posted, if there's a linking relationship, then it could possibly make a difference.
But my question is about more "C class ip backlinks decrease PR or discount"
Yahoo looks
G not much
M ?
and i have a doubt about yahoo web rank, yahoo algorithm looks c class ip for ranking web page. Most of high rank in G PR get low web rank in yahoo.How is it possible?
Thanks
JAG
Actually, this topic is asking about links from the same c-class which is a different issue from hosting a site in a possibly bad neighborhood.
I personally don't think it makes any difference if some sites we own are hosted on the same IP. As was already posted, if there's a linking relationship, then it could possibly make a difference.
AnthonyCea
05-31-2006, 01:07 PM
Ok. i want to know which are all c class ip used by link farms, FFAs or extensive backlinkage and MFA.
I want to know is my c class ip used by them? is there any tool for it, its a serious matter
JAG
I've been this way before......down this dusty old road Jag.....
I told you the tool was common sense, don't submit to reciprocal link directories or even a directory that asks for but does not require a reciprocal link.
Do not subscribe or become a member in an automated reciprocal link exchange.
Do not purchase links from link brokers because entire networks built by some link brokers have been taken down and stripped of PR since these sites were custom built simply to populate the link brokers network!
In other words, don't engage in every scam that "so called SEO's" promote on webmaster forums, but make sure you follow Google, Yahoo and MSN webmaster guidelines, they do publish them you know!
Jag if you want to conduct in depth investigations of the sites on a server, download the www.netcraft.com toolbar and have fun because you have a lot of work ahead of you!
Thanks. I too use netcraft very long before :) and i dont link to all link farms etc the only thing is that they should not use my c class ip, that is the worring thing and to all upcoming seo expert :(
JAG
Jag if you want to conduct in depth investigations of the sites on a server, download the www.netcraft.com toolbar and have fun because you have a lot of work ahead of you!
what should i do if they use my c class ip?
Thanks
JAG
I'd suspect those may be better off spread out than hosted together.
traian
06-03-2006, 10:55 AM
Hi Jug
Just get your own IP and move the website to another, clean, hosting company.
Traian
Name Jag not jug
That i konw traian, then how to know a clean hosting company and what is the guarantee if found?
JAG
Hi Jug
Just get your own IP and move the website to another, clean, hosting company.
Traian
can any one help me in this issue?
JAG
then how to know a clean hosting company and what is the guarantee if found?
JAG
AnthonyCea
06-14-2006, 10:09 AM
Use the Netcraft toolbar and review other sites that are ranking well, you can find out who their host is that way if you are that worried Jag! :o
Ya i know and used netcraft toolbar, is there any other tool to find
for some site netcraft does not show!
JAG
Use the Netcraft toolbar and review other sites that are ranking well, you can find out who their host is that way if you are that worried Jag! :o
AnthonyCea
06-15-2006, 11:18 AM
Yes, there are tools that cost about $1,000.00 a month, but like I said, you are going overboard on this and the NetCraft toolbar will give you what you need.
You need to move on Jag, build content and host where you feel safe and get on with building your sites! :o
Cool. Thanks but shocked about the price if its real
JAG
Yes, there are tools that cost about $1,000.00 a month, but like I said, you are going overboard on this and the NetCraft toolbar will give you what you need.
You need to move on Jag, build content and host where you feel safe and get on with building your sites! :o
MarkEllison
06-16-2006, 02:44 PM
Wait a minute. Jag, can you please clarify something for me..
My company has about 30 different niche medical websites. Often, we point to one another for references and further reading on specific conditions and research and what not. In no way am I trying to increase any link popularity.. Also, from our corporate homepage, we point to all of our different sites, as many companies do.. I do not need to take any precautions with this, correct? Thank you in advance!!
AnthonyCea
06-16-2006, 02:48 PM
Don't worry about it, he is worried about his sites being on the same server with porn sites and link farms on shared hosting plans, don't change your tactics just because of some comments on a forum!
I would suggest if you are worried, that you should start a new thread and illustrate what you are doing so the experts here can advise you, this thread is not the place, it will just confuse you!
MarkEllison
06-16-2006, 02:53 PM
You are probably right. There is no way a search engine could confuse what I am doing with any sneaky tactics... I tend to over-react... Thanks..
AnthonyCea
06-16-2006, 02:57 PM
Sure thing man, never over react to things you read, if you have questions just start a thread to get some focus on your questions, there are some bright people here that can help and you don't have to go it alone!
glengara
06-16-2006, 04:03 PM
*I do not need to take any precautions with this, correct?*
Hard to say in these anti-reciprocal days, have a cynic view your set-up ;-)
MarkEllison
06-16-2006, 04:08 PM
Heheh, can you recommend any?
Marcia
06-16-2006, 04:29 PM
Actually Mark, your question fits right in with this thread, which is about backlinks from the same C-Class/IP.
*I do not need to take any precautions with this, correct?*
Hard to say in these anti-reciprocal days, have a cynic view your set-up ;-)I personally agree with glengara on this about having a cynical view, which could be interpreted into actions by taking a conservative approach.
Heheh, can you recommend any?If the linking is for the benefit of users and makes sense from a logical viewpoint, it's for the right reasons, but from a cynical, conservative viewpoint:
1. Cross-link very conservatively, linking one way when it makes sense, and
2. Make sure that there are enough quality inbound links from outside, non-connected or related sources on other IPs so that the "nepotistic" links are kept to a fairly low percentage of the total.
As glengara intimated, we really can't predict anything for certain, but imho we can safely assume that if linking patterns are over-done and/or appear to be seriously nepotistic, it probably won't sit well long term. Might as well stay on the safe side with a conservative, minimalistic approach.
glengara
06-16-2006, 04:43 PM
If your network is prominent in results from similar pages/links/contains the term, you may be overdoing things...
MarkEllison
06-16-2006, 05:16 PM
To begin, thank you both very much. Firstly, the number of cross-links is well under 1% of the total links. We have hundreds and sometimes thousands of non-connected inbound links. An example of what I am talking about: On my Psychosocial nursing website, there is a small image on the homepage that reads "Find a Nursing Job at oneofmyothersites.com", which obviously posts job listings for nursing careers. Of course, this is a one-way link because there would be no sense in linking from the nursejobs site to the psychosocial nursing site, as they are hardly relevant... I think I am good to go on this subject.. Again, thanks.. Now, its time to figure out how to get crawled, while still requiring a password to browse the site.. Ohhhh, it never ends :)
Marcia
06-16-2006, 05:34 PM
Now, its time to figure out how to get crawled, while still requiring a password to browse the site.. Ohhhh, it never ends No it never does end. ;) But if you're requiring a password to access pages, then it seems there wouldn't be any reason to want them publicly accessible without a password. There isn't any way to get them crawled because spiders can't enter passwords
All I can think of for getting some pages on the site crawled is to add some content pages that don't need to be password protected so there can at least be something indexed, as well as potentially bring more traffic.
glengara
06-16-2006, 05:48 PM
AFAIK you can safely let spiders in to restricted content while still excluding us peasants....
Marcia
06-16-2006, 06:00 PM
Yes, it can be done to let spiders in and not us peasants (by user agent, IP# and such), and there are sites that do it - but then there's dealing with what happens with the search engine listings for the pages and when people click on the search results to limited access pages.
Ah, but this is digressing far away from the topic of the thread, and while things related to links and c-classes are relevant, getting p/w protected pages crawled is definitely another topic.
I would suggest if you are worried, that you should start a new thread and illustrate what you are doing so the experts here can advise you, this thread is not the place, it will just confuse you!No, the questions are related and another thread on a c-class and linking issue at this time would mean combining the two threads rather than have two running on the same topic. The p/w issue introduced later on is a different story.
AnthonyCea
06-16-2006, 06:09 PM
How do you know his sites are on the same C-Blocks Marcia ? :)
Maybe you should start a general interlinking related sites thread, since not all interlinking is done from the same host or C-blocks! :o
Marcia
06-16-2006, 07:01 PM
How do you know his sites are on the same C-Blocks Marcia ? It makes absolutely no difference whatsoever if they're on the same C-Blocks.
To begin, thank you both very much. Firstly, the number of cross-links is well under 1% of the total links. We have hundreds and sometimes thousands of non-connected inbound links. An example of what I am talking about: On my Psychosocial nursing website, there is a small image on the homepage that reads "Find a Nursing Job at oneofmyothersites.com", which obviously posts job listings for nursing careers. Of course, this is a one-way link because there would be no sense in linking from the nursejobs site to the psychosocial nursing site, as they are hardly relevant... I think I am good to go on this subject.It's a non-issue, but the principle applies either way so it's very appropriate for the conversation - and helpful as well. Yes, good to go is right.
Maybe you should start a general interlinking related sites thread, since not all interlinking is done from the same host or C-blocks!Thank you, but I think maybe I'm perfectly capable of deciding when I need to start a thread. :rolleyes:
AnthonyCea
06-16-2006, 07:06 PM
OK :eek: :D
ujwal
06-17-2006, 10:04 AM
u wont be in problome if ur not in that c class
hello AnthonyCea if u dont know about this threads dont reply
Do not confuse people who wants help from this thread regarding C class IP, experts are there for helping, u better be idle and watch this thread to learn about C class ip
Moreover did i say u that my host is in same c class ip with pron and linkfarm site, do not guess. I only asked if it is what to do and i asked how to find
JAG
Don't worry about it, he is worried about his sites being on the same server with porn sites and link farms on shared hosting plans, don't change your tactics just because of some comments on a forum!
I would suggest if you are worried, that you should start a new thread and illustrate what you are doing so the experts here can advise you, this thread is not the place, it will just confuse you!
Hi MarkEllison
AnthonyCea is wrong about his thought, this is a write thread to discuss with ur problem so that people who faces same problem can easily find out solutions from this thread
Thanks
JAG
You are probably right. There is no way a search engine could confuse what I am doing with any sneaky tactics... I tend to over-react... Thanks..
AnthonyCea
06-17-2006, 10:34 AM
Yeah, you're right Jag :)
Cool will have solutions ;) from many problem facers
Yeah, you're right Jag :)
MarkEllison
06-21-2006, 09:15 AM
Thanks Marcia and company.. I got the answer i was looking for and i apologize if i asked on the wrong thread... Im new here (my excuse) heheh. take care
You dont have to apologize Mark, its right thread
Thanks Marcia and company.. I got the answer i was looking for and i apologize if i asked on the wrong thread... Im new here (my excuse) heheh. take care
Well, now i check back links from sites that are not on the same class C IP range by...
....using a tool to avoid risk even though it is discounted
Jag
Why we have to build links with same C class IP if it is discounted ;)
Cheers,
Jag
You might have to use the Class C Checker if you own several cross-linked sites. If you do, it may be more efficient (for SEO purposes) to host them on different Class C IP ranges.
gazzerman
04-08-2007, 05:27 PM
Hi Jag
In your opinion with regards to your post, if your sites are currently being ignored for cross linking and you move them to seperate Class C IP's then google will change its indexing and see the 2 sites as a positive link no spammy link?
Nobody has been able to answer my question on the fact that if you link sites together on the same Class C ip and then move them to seperate Class C ip's weather google changes its relationship outlook of the 2 sites or if it keeps that information stored for a long time/life and it cant be corrected.
Anyone please? Anyone moved a domain to a new c class and seen change in results?
You might have to use the Class C Checker if you own several cross-linked sites. If you do, it may be more efficient (for SEO purposes) to host them on different Class C IP ranges.
YES, I DID
Here it is, i have some domain and interlinked between then, their was no progress, suddenly i thought of moving the other site to a different server and residing one domain on same server, there it is, on the next G alg change i got the results i expected ;)
Think this information will help you gazzerman, have answered you hope soo
Hi Jag
In your opinion with regards to your post, if your sites are currently being ignored for cross linking and you move them to seperate Class C IP's then google will change its indexing and see the 2 sites as a positive link no spammy link?
Nobody has been able to answer my question on the fact that if you link sites together on the same Class C ip and then move them to seperate Class C ip's weather google changes its relationship outlook of the 2 sites or if it keeps that information stored for a long time/life and it cant be corrected.
Anyone please? Anyone moved a domain to a new c class and seen change in results?
It is not the IP as much as the fact Google is privy to ICANN domain registration information. Google is on the look out for domains linking to each other and owned by the same person no matter what their server.
"Actually, Google handles virtually hosted domains and their links just the same as domains on unique IP addresses. If your ISP does virtual hosting correctly, you'll never see a difference between the two cases. We do see a small percentage of ISPs every month that misconfigure their virtual hosting, which might account for this persistent misperception--thanks for giving me the chance to dispel a myth!"
- Google Director of Technology Craig Silverstein 2003
http://interviews.slashdot.org/interviews/02/07/03/1352239.shtml
So, I hope this helps!
Thanks, but i dont think it will work out reg domain registration information.
If it's a client domain or some ref domain, person name will be different, in this case what will be the answer?
Best
Jag
It is not the IP as much as the fact Google is privy to ICANN domain registration information. Google is on the look out for domains linking to each other and owned by the same person no matter what their server.
"Actually, Google handles virtually hosted domains and their links just the same as domains on unique IP addresses. If your ISP does virtual hosting correctly, you'll never see a difference between the two cases. We do see a small percentage of ISPs every month that misconfigure their virtual hosting, which might account for this persistent misperception--thanks for giving me the chance to dispel a myth!"
- Google Director of Technology Craig Silverstein 2003
http://interviews.slashdot.org/interviews/02/07/03/1352239.shtml
So, I hope this helps!
Northie
05-25-2007, 03:51 AM
The poll doesn't have the third option - no difference
Why do I care?
It may have been the case a few years ago when MFA producers went into overdrive and cross linked all of their sites but it's not the case now.
An excessive amount of cross linking on a single IP will raise a flag, but a natural linking structure will help, regardless of IP, server, domain owner.
The SEs are wise enough to know that some people put 1000s of sites all on one server for them selves and that some shared server environments have 1000s of unique customers on one server with just one or two IP addresses.
Google is also wise enough to know who each domain belongs to (since it is now a registrar).
the simple answer is this - links between sites on the same C class IP block will be counted as valid, ust as any other link would be.
link farms, excessive reciprocal linking, irrelevant links will carry less weight
link farms, reciprocal linking and off-topic links on the same C-class (or worse, same IP) will be seen as blatantly obvious spam and will be penalised.
HI Northie,
Good thought but answers is in a learning stage, suppose all the sites have directory in subdomain or by folder and orginal site link each other releted to category(may be a three way or by web ring) and for a large business web development company, servers does't be a matter, they will have more in number, in this case will the site be penalised as you said, think? :)
Anybody to help in this or any thoughts?
mcanerin
06-06-2007, 03:08 AM
First things first. Even if I told you, and it was the absolute truth, that the links do X, by the time you read my answer an hour later, the search engine in question may have changed what they do.
So your quest for perfect knowledge is a waste of time. You'll just have to make do with educated guesses and test results like the rest of us mortals.
My educated guess and and test results tell me that your IP address doesn't matter one bit until you do a few other things that convince the search engine to look at it.
So if you have two different websites that are doing their own thing and one happens to link naturally to the other, then no discount, no PR drop, no problem.
But if your sites do something that makes the search engine want to look at you a little closer, then one of the things they may look at is your IP and the IP of those linking to you, either directly or via a third party.
How closely they look, and what they will do about it if they don't like what they see, is up to the individual engine and the circumstances.
Maybe a drop in link love, maybe a penalty, and maybe even a ban could happen.
But not over an IP. Over a whole group of things that, put together, create a pattern that the search engine recognizes as something it wants to deal with.
As an example, there is nothing wrong with surfing the web from an IP in India. Nothing at all.
There is nothing wrong with surfing the web in the middle of the night. Nothing at all.
There is nothing wrong with clicking on an Adwords ad more than once - it happens often while people do research.
But if I detect that someone is repeatedly clicking on my Adwords ads focused on "Miami Motor Vehical Accident Attorney", I might want to look a little closer.
If I see that these clicks are all in the middle of the night, then I might start getting suspicious.
If I see that they all come from India, I'm thinking Click Fraud. Each part is not a problem, but put together as a whole, it's a clear (and unfortunately common) trend.
This recently happened to me, BTW.
Each of these things, by themselves, are not a problem. I have another site I donate time to, which is a charity in Goa (India) , where I would expect a lot of visitors in the middle of (my) night from India. For that site, I might be suspicious of clicks from Miami.
You are looking for "Bad Things To Avoid", but it's not that simple. It's more like suspicious patterns to watch out for, and those suspicious patterns are in context of the site, not black and white rules applying all the time.
Ian
Thanks for the long statements, but it does not satisfy all :)