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NFFC
08-12-2004, 06:31 PM
"What does this guy do... sit around all day and flame people on forums?"

Well....yes, obviously.

Next?

seobook
08-12-2004, 08:36 PM
Next?
"Mike you are soooo sexy"

not really sure I got that because I am neither mike nor sexy.

NFFC
08-12-2004, 08:55 PM
>"Mike you are soooo sexy"

I get them all the time, I think it is Marcia :)

Nick W
08-13-2004, 03:02 AM
I haven't got a bad one yet, but that's just a matter of time...

I did like this though:

"Awsome post you ****ney MF"

hehe

Nick

Marcia
08-13-2004, 03:34 AM
>>Mike

Maybe they got you confused with Mr. Mackin

>>Marcia

NFFC, just because you're brilliant, you're my hero, and I love you dearly doesn't necessarily mean that I think you're sexy; I've never thought of you in that type of context, but rather like a big brother, dear friend, fun companion, trusted advisor and wise mentor. Great topic though, here is a list of men I can think of off-hand.

rcjordan:
warmly lovable and huggable

rustybrick:
a man of obvious intelligence and capability with outstanding moderating and people skills

Brett_Tabke:
highly enigmatic individual. Despite close to 4 years of consistently pushing his buttons, he still remains a man of mystery, to this very day.

NIckW:
cheeky little bugga!

garyp:
intelligentsia with charm

littleman:
a man of forthright integrity and honesty. I would trust him with my bank account, even if there were anything in it.

Mikkel dMib Svendsen:
sexy. very sexy.

That's off the top of my head on the fly, I may add more later. I love lists.

Added:
Sheesh, got me thinking about analyzing men for a minute there.

Back on topic, the worst reputation was getting voted down for greeting one of the Google reps. That's here. All around, probably the most disturbing was getting accused of being GoogleGuy and working for Inktomi, all in the space of about a month.

JamesR
08-28-2004, 05:42 AM
>worst reputation

When NFFC called me a blackhat. I haven't been able to look anyone in the eye since.

NFFC
08-28-2004, 01:38 PM
"you are abrasive and quite a bore"

Only poor capitalisation ruined an otherwise worthy dig.

Nick W
08-28-2004, 03:54 PM
We should have a sweepstakes on who sent u that, it's not the obvoius choice, far to elegant even though it lacks elegance ;-)

NFFC
08-28-2004, 04:06 PM
>We should have a sweepstakes on who sent u that

No need, trust me I know who everybody is that sent a neg.

Jill Whalen
08-29-2004, 12:30 AM
Well, someone wrote this regarding my post about my upcoming seminar:

"That's not a SE confrence it's a DYI article spam confrence"

I'm still trying to figure out what they meant!

And the other negative one I received simply said, "what rot."

I like that one. Short and to the point!

seobook
08-29-2004, 12:48 AM
"That's not a SE confrence it's a DYI article spam confrence"
I'm still trying to figure out what they meant!
perhaps they did not think your SE conferences provided effective solid long term SEO guidance?

that or maybe they do not like you and wanted to let you know that? often times personal stuff ends up in those reputations...for example I recently got "you and I helpyou obviosly have a history--why not keep it out of the threads"
I really do not have much of a history with Ihelpyou that I know of, but we all have our own realities...in someone's mind me and Ihelpyou go way back.

And the other negative one I received simply said, "what rot."
I like that one. Short and to the point!
succinct

Jill Whalen
08-29-2004, 12:59 AM
Personally, I think posting anonymous negative stuff in that reputation thingee shows cowardice of the worst kind.

You disagree with me, fine. You want to be mean, also fine. Then pm it or email it to me. Don't hide behind an anonymous reputation thing. I just think it's really pathetic.

seobook
08-29-2004, 01:02 AM
Personally, I think posting anonymous negative stuff in that reputation thingee shows cowardice of the worst kind.

You disagree with me, fine. You want to be mean, also fine. Then pm it or email it to me. Don't hide behind an anonymous reputation thing. I just think it's really pathetic.

there are a ton of ways to leave anonymous feedback on the web. I kinda enjoy chuckling at some of them. If they really get to you then you may want to turn them off.

I really do not see them as a big deal though since few people see them anyway.

rustybrick
08-29-2004, 01:03 AM
One is suppose to use the reputation system to rate the quality of the post. Like anything, it will be abused. But, good thing the super mods here can fix any excess abused ratings.

We just need to figure out filters for the reputation spam problem. :)

seobook
08-29-2004, 01:08 AM
One is suppose to use the reputation system to rate the quality of the post. Like anything, it will be abused. But, good thing the super mods here can fix any excess abused ratings.

We just need to figure out filters for the reputation spam problem. :)

since I am not a moderator I do not see the problem as much as the moderators do, but on the whole it is a democratic system and any rubish feedbacks should be more than offset by other ones...especially over time.

Certainly people should not be verbally assalted, but if people are exceedingly sensitive to random negative statements then its not suggested that leave the feature enabled. Its like leaving your email on your website and then being mad that spambots harvest it.

Jill Whalen
08-29-2004, 01:16 AM
Aaron, what makes you think they get to me? I think they're highly amusing.

I'm just sayin' that people who post 'em are cowards, cuz they are.

Elisabeth
08-29-2004, 01:18 AM
Personally, I think posting anonymous negative stuff in that reputation thingee shows cowardice of the worst kind.


Personally, I'd rather see a ton of cowards making use of the reputation system than a few people who confuse bravery/boldness with tactless insults and flames that ruin an otherwise quality discussion.

:rolleyes:

(don't mind me, i'm just a little cranky Vinateri missed the kick)

Jill Whalen
08-29-2004, 01:21 AM
Yes, that's very true, good point, Elisabeth.

But it would be even nicer if they would make their comments in private, but sign them. :p

seobook
08-29-2004, 01:23 AM
Aaron, what makes you think they get to me? I think they're highly amusing.
the cowardly action defines itself and few people mention it.

though this sounds like great logic:
Personally, I'd rather see a ton of cowards making use of the reputation system than a few people who confuse bravery/boldness with tactless insults and flames that ruin an otherwise quality discussion.

Lex
08-29-2004, 01:49 AM
Personally, I'd rather see a ton of cowards making use of the reputation system than a few people who confuse bravery/boldness with tactless insults and flames that ruin an otherwise quality discussion.
Well said, Elisabeth. Right on the money.

(don't mind me, i'm just a little cranky Vinateri missed the kick)
56 with no snow? he shoulda had it!

NFFC
08-29-2004, 08:01 AM
I must admit I enjoy the negative ones, I think the anominity aspect adds to the system too.

Really what we have is a system that not only "rewards" good posts but also gives any user of what ever level a means to speak their mind, maybe knock some of the more opinionated and/or established members down a peg or two.

I think this will become more important over time as both the level of data improves and the "scoring" comes more inline with reality. Currently there are members that have never posted with reps higher than some of the best posters here, thats's not right but will change over time.

>Personally, I'd rather see a ton of cowards making use of the reputation system than a few people who confuse bravery/boldness with tactless insults and flames that ruin an otherwise quality discussion.

I've been guilty of that confusion and I think its right that it stops. Having said that to a certain extent its the system blaming a "bad algo" on spammers, if you get my drift. ;)

seobook
08-29-2004, 07:20 PM
I've been guilty of that confusion and I think its right that it stops. Having said that to a certain extent its the system blaming a "bad algo" on spammers, if you get my drift. ;)
delightfully blunt and fun :)

Lex
08-29-2004, 07:32 PM
Having said that to a certain extent its the system blaming a "bad algo" on spammers, if you get my drift. ;)
An interesting analogy, but I don't see how it translates to "blaming" (don't really like that word) forum participants for engaging in poor manners or exercising a lack of judgment.

seobook
08-29-2004, 07:41 PM
An interesting analogy, but I don't see how it translates to "blaming" (don't really like that word) forum participants for engaging in poor manners or exercising a lack of judgment.

I think he was saying that often many people are quick to pass judgment and then do not like it when others do the same (probably not just in this forum but in the world).

Certainly some people (me included) could be more tactful sometimes, but much of what occurs and is complained about is just some sort of twisted reciprocal link.

I, Brian
08-30-2004, 09:53 AM
I don't have many reputation clicks - I have 4:

2 are positive about discussion issues, raised.

The 1 negative reads simply "The poster should get a life".

The latest 1 is more intriging: "Hiya Brian - give me a call when you get the chance. :)"

:confused:

Elisabeth
08-30-2004, 12:01 PM
"Hiya Brian - give me a call when you get the chance. "

hmm... could it be a hot date??

definitely a negative of the anonymous feature there, but that's something that obviously should have gone through PM - so i'll let the person who wrote that to you know they need to contact you if they were serious;)

Jill Whalen
08-30-2004, 12:19 PM
So, Elisabeth, I take it you can see who wrote what to whom in those reputation thingees?

So for instance, if someone felt harrassed by them (not me...I'm just sayin') then they could contact an admin. or moderator who could possibly do something about it?

If you turn it off, does that mean you can't get any comments at all? Which would obviously be the choice for the more sensitive posters, but some may not like having their reputation grayed out, as it might look like they have something to hide, when in reality, they may simply not like being anonymously harrassed.

Elisabeth
08-30-2004, 12:48 PM
good question Jill. In fact, yes, some of that is covered in new FAQ's i'm going to get up today. Mods/admins are the only ones who can read comments to each user. (not something I'd do very often)

But certainly, if any member EVER felt harassed or threatened directly by another, they can come directly to one of us Admins or Mods to handle the situation via PM or email, and we'd look at everything we could to take care of the issues.

You can turn off the option not to show your reputation level to other members in your User Control Panel, but you can still receive ratings and comments, I believe.

Edited to ADD: but you won't see them if you have the option set to NOT show reputaion level - once you switch it on, you'd see what you were given while it was off.

just some clarification from the upcoming FAQ:

"A black bar means someone has chosen not to participate in the reputation program. You can still rate their posts, but their overall score won’t be displayed. Gray bars here indicate someone is in negative reputation territory."

robwatts
08-30-2004, 01:17 PM
Ive noticed that a certain individual appeared to have their reputation set lower than the lowest of the lowest practically from their first post.

I also noticed that this person had a disparaging remark (something like "username has a lot to learn.." or something similarly unflaterring) attached to the rep, again from day one.

3 scenarios.

1. A mod or admin snorted and guffawed as they manually edited this persons rep, gleaning great delight from the actions of their labours.

2. This persons reputation preceded them, inspiring everyone who disliked them an opportunity to get in a subtle dig, without recourse to a need for overt rudeness.

3. This persons 1st post was so absymally awful that the general view was that they needed to be told so and therefore rated as such.

Anyone have a view on this?

On a related note.

This whole rep thing...the rate post thing, as it stands could give people the wrong impression, as the votes in themselves are not apparent to the observer of the 'post'. I think this may have been said already, but perhaps the rate post feature would be better served to display for the post that was rated only, eg this post has a rating of #. The rep for the actual poster, if chosen to display could then well be a combi of other features and metrics

Using a different way of presenting things wouldn't prevent actions as outlined in 1 2 or 3 above, but may go a way to reducing scenarios whereby new users could perhaps feel insulted or belittled, and therefore less inclined to post quite possibly, irrespective of their history or lack of.

We haven't all got the skin of a rhino ;)

Elisabeth
08-30-2004, 01:36 PM
Ive noticed that a certain individual appeared to have their reputation set lower than the lowest of the lowest practically from their first post.

I also noticed that this person had a disparaging remark (something like "username has a lot to learn.." or something similarly unflaterring) attached to the rep, again from day one.



I was never a real fan of the default comments (the alt tag that shows when you roll over a user's rep symbol) about user reps to begin with, just didn't have time/never got around to editing them with new creative comments.

here are the default comments (our numerical values are different, FWIW)
http://www.vbulletin.com/docs/images/reputation/reputation_manager.png

Feel free to post suggestions to change. would be interesting if the were/could be more SEO/SEM industry specific.


3 scenarios.
1. A mod or admin snorted and guffawed as they manually edited this persons rep, gleaning great delight from the actions of their labours.

I personally assure you that no one here did that, and if they did, they wouldn't be a mod or admin anymore.


2. This persons reputation preceded them, inspiring everyone who disliked them an opportunity to get in a subtle dig, without recourse to a need for overt rudeness.
Quite possible & somewhat likely.


3. This persons 1st post was so absymally awful that the general view was that they needed to be told so and therefore rated as such.

Could be. The intial rep level is set relatively low, so it doesn't take many "i disapprove" comments to impact it, especially if someone with a higher rep dings them first.

It's definitely my experience in other forums that some people who started out with questionable posts or comments have been able to become good quality posters over time, some even became great moderators.

Elisabeth
08-30-2004, 01:43 PM
This whole rep thing...the rate post thing, as it stands could give people the wrong impression, as the votes in themselves are not apparent to the observer of the 'post'. I think this may have been said already, but perhaps the rate post feature would be better served to display for the post that was rated only, eg this post has a rating of #. The rep for the actual poster, if chosen to display could then well be a combi of other features and metrics

Using a different way of presenting things wouldn't prevent actions as outlined in 1 2 or 3 above, but may go a way to reducing scenarios whereby new users could perhaps feel insulted or belittled, and therefore less inclined to post quite possibly, irrespective of their history or lack of.

We haven't all got the skin of a rhino ;)

Great feedback, rob.

We did change the link itself from "Reputation" to "Rate this Post" to give readers a better idea of how the system can actually be used to evaluate members on their overall contributions.

in theory, a poster that generates a lot of good quality posts will gain a solid reputation as a member over time.

it would be nice if all members used the rate this post feature to comment solely on the argument made/on the merit of the post itself, rather than a general pat on the back or dig to member personally.

but trying to strike a balance between the two is something we're aiming for.

greenleaves
08-30-2004, 02:46 PM
Where can I find the page with my reviews, I looked, but don't see anything. Maybe no one has reviewed me yet?

Elisabeth
08-30-2004, 02:56 PM
Greenleaves, you should see your comments within the main page of your User Control Panel.

I just added a comment to yours, so you should now see at least one.

Nick W
08-30-2004, 02:58 PM
User can only hope to improve

ROFL!! - I just went and checked on of my favorite users and found that under his alt ;) - Didnt realize that b4... nice..

Nick

robwatts
08-30-2004, 04:26 PM
Thanks for the feedback on the rep sys Elisabeth.

Maybe a thread for user suggested rep comments is in order..could be kinda interesting...might call for some busy moderating though ;)

NFFC
08-31-2004, 03:13 PM
Latest.

"Fantastic Post! -Regards, Googleguy"

Now two mistakes...

1.GG has two pips hence it would show green not grey.

2. GG always ends his messages to me with, "Love, Googleguy" ;)

rustybrick
08-31-2004, 03:47 PM
Latest.
"Fantastic Post! -Regards, Googleguy"
Now two mistakes...
1.GG has two pips hence it would show green not grey.
2. GG always ends his messages to me with, "Love, Googleguy" ;)

LOL. You have a secret admirer. :p

St0n3y
08-31-2004, 05:23 PM
Here is my fav: "stop whining"

... and I had only just started! ;)

Marcia
09-01-2004, 05:53 PM
>>Here is my fav: "stop whining"

I can guess who that was. ;)

NFFC
09-01-2004, 05:57 PM
>I can guess who that was

hehe

DianeV
09-02-2004, 02:52 AM
I like rob's suggestion:

perhaps the rate post feature would be better served to display for the post that was rated only, eg this post has a rating of #.

Although that might take a fair bit of hacking the forum software.

lots0
03-18-2005, 10:29 PM
My two latest and current favs.

"grow up"

and I really like this one...

"Not big, nor clever"

Got that in responce to a one line responce I gave.
But, I did think my responce was rather clever, so this one kinda hurt.... ;)

seobook
03-19-2005, 07:17 PM
not too long ago I got

"Off topic, not helpful and badly written"

St0n3y
03-19-2005, 08:52 PM
I recently got a "hollow and meaningless".

Yep, that sums up my existence on these forums!

Bernard
03-20-2005, 01:46 AM
Post your worst "Latest Reputation Received"

Dont be such a dork bernard, its a discussion board for gods sake.. {signed}

I think this may have been said already, but perhaps the rate post feature would be better served to display for the post that was rated only, eg this post has a rating of #.

http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=3172&page=3#post39043

PhilC
03-22-2005, 08:45 PM
First and worst:-

"You're so transparent"

Latest:-

"totally random. i like it. though i disagree with your premise. There should be more total ****e like this on SEWF. I really enjoy it."

What's surprised me since I turned the reputation back on not many days ago, are the posts that generate them - all positive since then. So far, it's mostly the oddities that get the votes. That last one was a post about a tree falling in a forest, and another was for basically telling someone off :)

NFFC
03-24-2005, 01:39 AM
And the winner is..........

"Off topic, not helpful and badly written"

That one made me LOL.