Hey Everyone,

I recently read an article and saw some websites using an interesting approach.

I have seen websites using the <noscript> and <noframes> tag within the header content of the website in order to insert of well needed keywords, links and H1 tags.

Is this spam? Does Google, Yahoo, MSN allow this kind of approach to optimization?

Do you believe the various Bots will be able to spider this content?

It appears you can add quite abit into the <noframes> tag and have it spidered by the engines but now show up as html on the page when browsing the site...

Good Idea?

Cheers

Critter
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using those tags for the wrong reasons is a bad call IMHO

using those tags for the wrong reasons is a bad call IMHOOK - Thanks SEOBOOK.. THis is the kind of input I'm looking for. I figured it might be abit spammy..... What do you think about adopting that practice in a VERY COMPETITIVE market? One where a potential BAN might not be the end of the world anyways.

Would this help abit more on Yahoo, since Google's focuses more on off-page SEO(backlinks) for ranking?

Cheers

Critter

It has nothing to do with competition. It has to do with the reason for using the tag. If there is a reason to use it, in order to benefit the end user, then it is ok. If not, then its spam.

It has nothing to do with competition. It has to do with the reason for using the tag. If there is a reason to use it, in order to benefit the end user, then it is ok. If not, then its spam.
Thanks RUSTY!

Critter

It has nothing to do with competition. It has to do with the reason for using the tag. If there is a reason to use it, in order to benefit the end user, then it is ok. If not, then its spam.

some markets require that people use things outside of their intended purpose or do otherwise sketchy stuff.

there are really only so many ways to spread the message "buy viagra"

the techniques you use are often dictated by market conditions. I think techniques have everything to do with competition.

seobook, the noframes or noscript tags are not something that should be used for the sole purpose of competing in a competitive seo world, IMO.

seobook, the noframes or noscript tags are not something that should be used for the sole purpose of competing in a competitive seo world, IMO.

I have took them off of every site I have ever worked on (because I do not think they are usually worth the risks - some other seo firm put them in there before me).

my point was not that people should misuse tags (though some likely are currently finding them an effective seo tool). my point was that the competition in the marketplace often defines what practices should be used.

I agree, I would recommend not using these tags to stuff keywords, bad idea.

The <noframes> tag should be used to insert content for sites that are framed. A good use of the tag is to simply insert all the code between the opening and closing body tags of the page that is actually being framed. This way, a spider has content to index. It should not be used on pages that are not framesets as the page itself should already have content for the spider to index.

The <noscript> tag can be used for example to get a spider to index content that otherwise is embedded in a JavaScript such as navigational structures. Again, if the page contains no JavaScript, there is no need to use or abuse the tag.

since its so easy to see the intend of the misuse of the <noframes> and <noscript> tags, i wonder why the engines have not yet approached this issue in their algorithms.

The new tool by Bruce Clay (seotoolset) already address these type of issues and signal if there are spammy techniques being used.

For example analysing a site, as described initially above, with Bruce Clay free tool will immediately raise up a flag.

Riley

when you make a filter or a penalty you have to make sure it's 100%. Getting it to that point take lots of time and man hours for the SE's. That's why G has made what is off site more critical when it comes to rankings then what is on site. If you depreciate tag importance greatly and base your rankings heavily from a third party source ie linkpop then you don't have to spend endless hours hunting down every instance of abused tags.

That's why there are forums like these to answer the DIY seos/seo noob questions when they ask such things as I made proper head, h1, meta etc tags on all my pages why don't I show up in the SERPS.