I'm a newbie in SEO and want to do some aggressive SEO marketing. I've found out that cloaking somehow is the practice most SEO used (but don't want to talk about). I've looked at the risks involved and i can say it's worth the try.

I saw similar products over the net and the prices ranges from $49.95 up to $600.00. Why the price difference? Can you give me some insight about this and which ones are suppose to be good?

Have you heard of fantomaster.com, phantomcloaker.com, Search engine cloaker and the likes? What are the difference between those software. Considering both price and quality, any recommendations or have you heard anything about these.

Any other tools to assist us in seo marketing that you are aware of please let us know.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks. :)

fantomaster is an ip based delivery system. very well priced for what it does and the service you get from it. up to 4 updates a day of the latest spider ip addresses.

Since fantom posts here Im sure he'll chime in. But I think cloakers will agree that ip delivery is the best route. Don't use the java cloaks or useragent cloaks you'll get caught. When dealing content to IP it's "who has the most up to date list of spiders and ips".


Que the fantomater... :D

the jave and/or user agent cloakers? phantomcloaker and sec?

I called Belgium yesterday to reach fanto but he's not around. I tried calling the US number but no one's answering.

I've read SEW Moderators position about cloaking. I'd say cloaking is like a fart, we can know it existed, but no one can prove or would admit on it :)

try emailing them. If you can't get Ralph try Dirk at fantomaster.

Why not java or useragent cloaks... Because they're so easy to detect it's not funny. I can change my useragent in Firefox to be googlebot and see all your cloaked content. Java cloaks are even worse. You can see the page reload infront of your eyes. Anyone that know what to look for will find it 100% of the time. So if you rank you're pretty much open to webmasters that will narc you out in a heart beat.

As per fantomcloaker get them on the horn and ask them 1 question. Do you use IP delivery if they say umm or well or no hang up :D

I've read SEW Moderators position about cloaking. I'd say cloaking is like a fart, we can know it existed, but no one can prove or would admit on it :)

too funny:) but I"m not sure which "SEW moderators position" you are referencing here. The mod staff has varying opinions on cloaking. Some of us/them even do it.

in anycase, we're open to talking about the different types of cloaking options, and try to avoid the debate over whether it's good or bad, but that inevitably comes up in these types of threads.

:) Elisabeth..im referring to the "hat stuff" they're wearing :) ... and yes it's been openly discussed the topic of cloaking here...that's the main reason why I know I can get opinions with regards to that topic, both biased and unbiased...

i'm just a newbie wanting to get my hands wet...

Honestly, if you are that new to SEO, the the LAST thing you should be attempting is cloaking.

It's kind of like trying to take up drag racing 20 minutes after getting your learners licence. Can you say "road kill?"

Do you actually think you will be competing against no one else who is cloaking, and that they are just as new as you? I have news for you, cloaking isn't the magical alternative for actually learning SEO that you seem to think it is.

It sounds like you've already made up your mind, and that anything someone say's to the contrary will be dismissed as "white hat" nonsense, so I doubt that anything I say will make a difference. I'm just hoping to warn some lurkers. Learn to walk before you try to run.

I don't suppose any of the BH's will chime in here and save him from himself? Or will you be too busy watching the trainwreck/comedy of errors?

<sigh> Never mind, I think I know the answer. Good luck - you'll need it. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...

Ian