I had a thought: no matter what Google or other search engines do, it *MUST* be easy to outwit them?

By outwit, I mean: figure out their algorithms

2 methods:

1. Monitor 100 or more websites. Pay if need be to be able to monitor *everything* about them. From the traffic they have coming in to the structure and keywords they use to the amount of links they have coming in to intelligent analysis of their text content as a whole

Apply a bit of math and you can figure out Google algorithms to a small percentage - 99.5%

Further: the analysis of the websites is constantly on - so if something changes, then your equations calculated are adjusted accordingly - think of it as being like a spreadsheet

OK, I can see a small problem: for external data that you rely on and pay for, like traffic monitoring, this could be wrong and inaccurate

in this case, you may only be getting it 80% - 90% right

BUT, I think there's an even better way!

2. Get together with 50 other web masters with high ranking quality websites - now we've overcome the inaccuracies that the first method has

SSHhhhhh: *don't* tell Google - they'll spoil the plans!
Just keep the secret amongst the 50 web masters - and don't do anything to get Lord Google sniffing about

I really can't see a flaw in the plan!
What am I missing?
Even if you only get it 95% right - that's enough to have 50 web masters be able to charge a fortune for SEO services - where top search engine placement is guaranteed!

Surely it can't be that easy?
Surely there must be a few things I'm missing that will spoil my plans?

Let me know what you guys think!


OM

Sorry mate not quite that simple... you have all sorts of distorting factors that are really hard to generalize

Isolating each on page factor to something exact, impact of links and basis of internal value placed by Google on them - what Google uses as their branded value, impact of edu and gov. links etc etc etc

you can get some but no where near more than even 60% IMO

thanks :(
there go my plans of world domination

but, i still say that the second suggestion i stated above solves the problems u identify?
or am i not understanding what ur saying properly?

Reverse engineering Google's algorithms might be possible if nothing outside of your site (or the 50 sites you are monitoring) changed.

But what about all the sites that link to these sites, and the sites that link to those sites? Changes made to these and the link juice they are passing on will affect your rankings too. You'd basically need to monitor a large portion of the web to even get close to being able to do this. Would be nice though ;)

Reverse engineering Google's algorithms might be possible if nothing outside of your site (or the 50 sites you are monitoring) changed.

But what about all the sites that link to these sites, and the sites that link to those sites? Changes made to these and the link juice they are passing on will affect your rankings too. You'd basically need to monitor a large portion of the web to even get close to being able to do this. Would be nice though ;)

my world domination plans have hit a glitch (thank to ur reply)

but i still say, 'if' it were possible to get many websites to collaborate and communicate and share information - then it would be possible to outwit google

my plan: 50 people
i accept what u say and agree - there are many more factors as well that could change

but i still say that the basis of my plan still stands

let's say we increase the 50 to 500 - then i think we can get somewhere

BUT: managing and getting 50 or 500 different parties is a very hard task - though i would say not impossible

maybe i should start a new website and campaign? :)
that really has got me thinking!!!
lol

BUT: managing and getting 50 or 500 different parties is a very hard task - though i would say not impossible

maybe i should start a new website and campaign? :)
that really has got me thinking!!!
lol

Especially difficult if they are competitors!

Why not register a few domains, say 10, each targeting a different keyword, something that's not commercial at all, something that no-one would be really striving to become number 1 for (this might reduce the effect of sites out of your control).

Launch 10 different sites, monitor rankings, once they show in the SERPs go through and make the same change on each site. See what effect it has. Then make another change, see what effect that has. Make sure you keep lots of notes.

Or make different changes to each site and monitor their performance. Hmm not sure, just thinking aloud here!

Anyway, this is going to take a LOT of time due the speed at which changes affect the SERPs.

at last: at least one person who understands that it 'might' be possible! :)
take a lot of time? yes, in the beginning to setup maybe
but then, we have it like a spreadsheet - if one value changes, then all others change accordingly

i'm going to see if i can get funding to to a phd on this ;)
lol