Hello, I have a website that currently has a PR of 3. Though the other search engines show many more, google shows 193 links pointed at it. However, not a single page is being indexed! The site was not indexed in google for a while and then got a pagerank all of a sudden and was indexed for 3-5 days before being taken off again. Why is this? I have tried several things and cannot get to the bottom of this... The site has been around for more than a year also. I have used google's new sitemaps and been verified and my sitemap checks out as OK.

my indexing summary in sitemaps reads;
Indexing summary:

No pages from your site are currently included in Google's index. Indexing can take time. You may find it helpful to review our information for webmasters and webmaster guidelines. [?]


Somebody please help.

The website in question: www.autumngallery.net (http://www.autumngallery.net) (take link out if not allowed)

I am also looking for an affordable and experienced SEO consultant in the near future. Where is a good place to find one?

Hello, I have a website that currently has a PR of 3. Though the other search engines show many more, google shows 193 links pointed at it. However, not a single page is being indexed! The site was not indexed in google for a while and then got a pagerank all of a sudden and was indexed for 3-5 days before being taken off again. Why is this? I have tried several things and cannot get to the bottom of this... The site has been around for more than a year also. I have used google's new sitemaps and been verified and my sitemap checks out as OK.

my indexing summary in sitemaps reads;
Indexing summary:

No pages from your site are currently included in Google's index. Indexing can take time. You may find it helpful to review our information for webmasters and webmaster guidelines. [?]


Somebody please help.

The website in question: www.autumngallery.net (http://www.autumngallery.net) (take link out if not allowed)

I am also looking for an affordable and experienced SEO consultant in the near future. Where is a good place to find one?

Lot's of talk on this topic throughout the forum... Look for anything "Big Daddy" related or try: Click Here for Google Big Daddy Topic (http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=11894)

Welcome to the Google Vortex

The Google Vortex (said in a low echoing voice) is much like the Google Sandbox but with a Rod Serling flair. You may think you know what's going on, but so do I and for completely different reasons. In the end though, the reality will be unexpected and will stretch our imaginations, perhaps to the breaking point. We might even go insane as franticly insist to a skeptikal world that our websites really do exist.

umm... thanks??... anybody that can answer the question please?

umm... thanks??... anybody that can answer the question please?
Unfortunately, you're not the only person experiencing this issue, and nobody has any clear answers for you. Google doesn't directly discuss how its search engine technology works to rank indexed pages, and people don't yet understand the most recent Google technology well enough to answer why it doesn't always index pages it apparently should.

Hi kroniczero,

Everything you need to know is in the first reply from FDJA. It will require some reading and understanding of the matter, but I can assure you that you will find what your looking for.

One of my domains experienced the same thing! :)

IMO your site is a linkage spamfest, and I'm not particularly surprised it's not being indexed...

IMO your site is a linkage spamfest, and I'm not particularly surprised it's not being indexed...

Ditto that... MFYSS (made for yahoo sponsored search)

Having a site that's made for cashing in on sponsored ads is pretty much exactly what new algorithms are trying to filter out. Here's just a few tips, (I'm assuming the other members will agree or at least let me know if I'm misguiding you):

1) If you create custom jewelry like it shows at: http://www.autumngallery.net/aboutus0001.html, elaborate on that aspect of it. Get rid of the Yahoo ads, they are costing you clientelle and search position. focus on what you do and build a site full of good content showing what you make and sell it. I'm not a jewelry expert but I'd think that if you had some pre-made inventory you could integrate some ecommerce and sell what you have too.

2) If you DON'T creat custom jewelry like it shows at: http://www.autumngallery.net/aboutus0001.html then I would suggest creating some original content that discusses jewelry, the gems, the metals, the processes, the history, the styles, etc. I can think of a bunch of spins on that. Then... Add value and a little gold in your pocket by strategically placing sponsored ads. Point is, don't make sponsored ads the highlight of the site.

3) The URL AutumnGallery.net can go for you, or against you. Depends on content and backlinks. I suppose if the theme of the site was something to do with Autumn and or a gallery it would make sense. Keep in mind that any site with keyphrases or URL with words like: gallery, pics, photo, movie, video, clip, etc. "MAY" be subject to additional filtering because of search engines newer "safe search" and "moderate search" features. I'm not 100% on that last bit of advice, but it stands to reason.

4) Your reciprocal link section should go as well... Or at least make some better choices for link partners. I checked a few and they don't even link back to you. In your niche' market I don't even think I'd have a link management program. Just a few textual links within your content that reaches out to support your claims and focus. i.e.; "AutumnGallery uses only the highest grade beads, gems and jewelry grade metals like copper, silver and gold that we purchase form XYZ wholesale jewelry supply (http://http://www.timewellcorp.com/)"... Then see if you can get those folks to link back to you.

5) If you need some help with the project, I'd be happy to help - PM me if you're interested. If not, I hope the suggestions help.

I just took over this site and yes there is a lot of random linking throughout. It is more like a directory in the link end. However there is a solid base of content now too under jewelry rescource. At was point will the content help my site become a solid member of the comunity?

I just took over this site and yes there is a lot of random linking throughout. It is more like a directory in the link end. However there is a solid base of content now too under jewelry rescource. At was point will the content help my site become a solid member of the comunity?

I'm assuming you mean community as in having a site that resides with other search friendly sites in organic listings...

I'm not keen on sponsored ads... I despise them, but in certain circumstances I've incorporated them in an attemt to round out a page's value or offer the site visitor something value added that I can't provide. Case in point, I run a hand built party planner resource directory / lead generation for mobile entertainers and I'm carrying the same idea into the used auto market, which is Ultra Competitive. I have a site http://cheapcarsite.com that I started perhaps 2 or 3 years ago and it's finally starting to get some steady traffic. I'm adding content little by little, but primarily it's quite empty so for the mean time I have a few Google ads and the google web search.

Nobody knows "how much" sponsored ads is perfect, but I try to keep it less than 10% of overall content for sure.

The sponsored ads appear at the top of the link pages as sponsored ads just like google puts sponsored ads before it's search outcomes. I thought that would be fine. We have added almost 30 pages of quality jewelry content on this page, http://www.autumngallery.net/jewelryresource0001.html (Jewelry Content) and are continueing to add content. It's becoming quite a good jewelry information rescource, including information on different gems and metals. I am also working on putting up the jewelry I have for sale.

Though some of the link pages might be seen as spammy, there are many relevant ones. Btw, what is the link checker you used to see if the sites I link to are linking back? And isn't there some value to having a quality link page that links to good sites on the topic stated, even if they dont link back? I've been going through and cleaning up irrelevant links, but i'm not sure what to do with relevant links.

It doesn't make any difference if some sites are not linking back, ideally while recips are OK, especially in certain niches where they're very commonplace, it's best to have a percentage that are one-way inbounds and also some unreciprocated outbounds. But....

IMO your site is a linkage spamfest, and I'm not particularly surprised it's not being indexed...To be perfectly honest, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the site is penalized, or even banned. With a message like what comes back when doing a site: search, it could well be.

You can't usually go by what's on the toolbar PR, that's just an approximation based on a snapshot taken at a given moment in time. It's got nothing to do with actual PR that's only known to Google internally.

Also - does every site get that message from sitemaps to check the quality guidelines, or just some sites?

It doesn't make any difference if some sites are not linking back, ideally while recips are OK, especially in certain niches where they're very commonplace, it's best to have a percentage that are one-way inbounds and also some unreciprocated outbounds. But....

To be perfectly honest, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the site is penalized, or even banned. With a message like what comes back when doing a site: search, it could well be.

You can't usually go by what's on the toolbar PR, that's just an approximation based on a snapshot taken at a given moment in time. It's got nothing to do with actual PR that's only known to Google internally.

Also - does every site get that message from sitemaps to check the quality guidelines, or just some sites?


I'm not sure but I think any site that isn't indexed recieves that message. There is another message given to sites that are banned, according to matt cutt's blog. My toolbar pr has been at a 3 though for a few weeks now...

It's showing all the traditional signs of a ban, and as Marcia suggests that site:search result is usually the clincher.

It's showing all the traditional signs of a ban, and as Marcia suggests that site:search result is usually the clincher.


So what is my best strategy to get back into these search engines?? Kill all my pages??